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Clinton V Trump - into the final three weeks.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 23/10/2016 16:51

new thread. :)

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WinchesterWoman · 30/10/2016 21:48

He's a snide twat. He's got no idea about anything. He's as funny as a bin bag. The fact that you like him says everything about you. Confused

fourmummy · 30/10/2016 21:50

The enormity of this whole thing is mind-boggling. It's the last chance, or the door slams shut forever. They won't be so careless with e-mails in the future.

claig · 30/10/2016 21:58

'The enormity of this whole thing is mind-boggling.'

It is getting very serious. The press is hyping u talk of WWIII. Experts are saying it is now more dangerous than in the Cold War. But why?

Because the elite are losing power - Brexit, populism, EU under pressure, media no longer believed, Trum mocking the lot of them, crowd shouting "Lock her up", banks still in huge trouble, world power shifting, spin doctors derided etc

With Trump, there will be no war. He wil do deals and stick two fingers up to the world's elite and put America First. They are desperate to stop him or their whole game will end.

As Camille Paglia said

"yet if Trump wins it will be an amazing moment of change because it would destroy the power structure of the Republican party, the power structure of the Democratic party and destroy the power of the media. It would be an incredible release of energy… at a moment of international tension and crisis.’

Breadandwine · 30/10/2016 22:01

He's a snide twat. He's got no idea about anything. He's as funny as a bin bag.

Grin Brilliant! I like it that he obviously gets under your skin! Grin

The fact that you like him says everything about you.

And I'm proud to wear that particular banner! Smile

WinchesterWoman · 30/10/2016 22:11

ooookaaaay

i guess there's a sense of humour in there somewhere Confused

Claig: imagine the impossible: imagine they've given up on Clinton and know they can flip Trump. What do you think of my theory.

WinchesterWoman · 30/10/2016 22:13

Fourmumm: the last chance.

Yes there's talk that people are voting not for Trump but for a hundred years ahead because if C gets in the country will change for ever.

fourmummy · 30/10/2016 22:17

WW - I think it's beginning to be more widely acknowledged than previously that Trump is risking his life doing this. The enormity of what can happen to him is beginning to dawn on people. Not sure how that relates to your theory but it seems relevantGrin

WinchesterWoman · 30/10/2016 22:20

Yes they will destroy him utterly if they can. They need to break the spirit of the people. I should think right now the clinton camp is doing everything it can to stand up the rape claim against him. That will be their top number one priority.

claig · 30/10/2016 22:23

'imagine they've given up on Clinton and know they can flip Trump. What do you think of my theory.'

The "bought and paid for" politicians work for money because they get rich through politics not through doing a real job in business. Trum is already rich, he doesn't need their money. He wants to go down in history as a people's President, and Andrew Jackson, who took on te elites and bankers and beat them.

However, the elites will surround him with their "advisers", their "spinners", their "teams" and they will try to mislead him and control him. We will have to wait and see if they manage it, but we know that he has tremendous courage and has been prepared to face the risks he faces, so he will probably do the right thing and work for America instead of for the elites.

As he has just said in a speech just now "we are on the cusp of historic change". He wants to go down in history, so he won't do their bidding.

WinchesterWoman · 31/10/2016 05:20

Do you think he is actually surprised himself to have got this far

WinchesterWoman · 31/10/2016 05:34

Hector morenco is an Australian professor in foreign energy investment called Tim samples or staples possibly? I read the whole string. He actually sounds quite scared but he could be a stirrer. If I had this information I would not post in my real name. The whole string of tweets is deeply scary! But how believable?

claig · 31/10/2016 07:30

'Do you think he is actually surprised himself to have got this far'

I don't actually think so. I think Trump was probably asked to stand by a faction in the US who realise that the US is being run by the globalists and the crooked elites who use the bought and paid for political class to ruin America. I think they picked Trump because he has immense confidence, bluster, courage and showmanship and is near enough the only person capable of facing down all the attacks and insults that the crooked media and world leaders and world elites would throw at him to try and stop him.

It is Trumo against the world elites, but I think Trump will beat them and then watch the feathers fly and the world media cry.

Lweji · 31/10/2016 07:35

It would be an incredible release of energy… at a moment of international tension and crisis.’

And that's good, because?

Trump is not a positive energy candidate that can do positive things with his mandate.

He's all negative. Listen to him.
Lock her up.
Sue his female victims for coming forward.
Keep everyone out.
Get them out.
Second ammendment people.
Bomb the hell out of them.

You, particularly claig, sound like a happy chicken heading straight into the slaughter house.

Let's imagine Trump is elected.
He turns inside. Closes borders, pulls out of any war setting.
An Iran / Russia controlled pipeline to Europe is built.
NATO only exists on paper.
International relationships will depend on business deals with the Trump corporation, which is run by his children (!).
People who can't get health insurance are told to get a job, or look in another state for non-existing health coverage.
Political opponents are locked up.
Women are sued for accusing men of abusing them.

Some foreign power ruffles Trump's feathers...

It sounds great to me.

claig · 31/10/2016 07:42

No, that is a caricature of his position. Trump will Drain The Swamp and "Lock her up" is part of that. He is going to end the corruption of the insiders and the charidees. He is going to make the system work for the American people instead of for the global 1%

It is great for us too because it will pull the rug out from under the elites worldwide and then we will all be liberated from their useless policies over the EU etc and the policies that serve the 1% and their spin will fall flat against Trump's blunt speaking truths, just as we already are liberated partially when we beat them over Brexit.

You can't believe everything Trump says because he is bombastic and exaggerates, but what we do know is that the elites and the 1% and the crooked media are terrified of Trump and that is good news for the people.

claig · 31/10/2016 07:52

"François Hollande says Donald Trump 'makes you want to retch' "

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/03/francois-hollande-says-donald-trump-makes-you-want-to-retch

These "career politicians", these nobodies who serve the bankers and the 1%, these minions will all have the rug pulled out from under them when Trump wins and the people of Europe and the world will be liberated from their useless policies that brought economic stagnation, mass unemployment, zero hour contracts, EU bureaucracy, political correctness, inept policies that are incapable of controlling immigration, wars in the Middle East that helped Jihadis to grow and spread, that hekped the Muslim Brotherhood to increase its influence, that killed tens of thousands of Christians, Muslims and Kurds by backing radical Muslim Jihadis funded by Saudi Arabia.

Trump is the end of the incompetence that the people have had to put up with due to the 1% elite's policies and the useless political class that carried out their policies.

SerendipityPhenomenon · 31/10/2016 08:23

"charidee" sounds so Richard Littlejohn. Usually used as an excuse for not giving to charity.

claig · 31/10/2016 08:26

I like Richard Littlejohn and the Daily Mail, they prick the pomposity of the elites and the phoney charidees that they set up to channel donations from Saudi and Qatari billionaires to themselves as they do their bidding. There are charities and politician charidees and they are different.

Lweji · 31/10/2016 08:33

No, that is a caricature of his position
I didn't mean as a caricature. If he wins, I do hope I'm wrong.

Don't you find the issue of his financial interests abroad very troubling? Unless anyone related to him is kept out and it's all really put in a blind trust?

Aren't you worried about Russia getting control of key energy sources to Europe?

claig · 31/10/2016 08:40

'Don't you find the issue of his financial interests abroad very troubling?'

I don't believe them. The entire world elite are against Trump and so are all the media, so if there was something there, they would make sure it was all out there for the public to know.

'Aren't you worried about Russia getting control of key energy sources to Europe?'

No, because I agree with Trump that "wouldn't it be nice if we got along with Russia, folks?" because I don't want war for the benefit of the bankers and the 1%, and Russia are Europeans and share our values and are against Islamic terrorism and Jihadism which none of us want to spread. Trumo believes in getting on with people and doing business eals with them and that brings peace, understanding and cooperation and I think that is a good thing, better than pointless wars for the benefit of the bankers and the 1%.

Lweji · 31/10/2016 08:53

I don't believe them

You don't believe Trump, then?

claig · 31/10/2016 08:58

'You don't believe Trump, then?'

I believe most of what Trump says. He says he has no business ties with Russia, unlike Hillary and Podesta and Hillary's handing over of 20% of the US's uranium supply to Russian companies.

claig · 31/10/2016 09:02

'Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal'

www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0

Trump knows all about charidees and the political class and he is going to "Drain the Swamp".

SerendipityPhenomenon · 31/10/2016 09:32

I like Richard Littlejohn and the Daily Mail

Why does that not surprise me? Littlejohn, with his fiction of living in the UK, is of course another blatant liar.

Lweji · 31/10/2016 09:34

I'm not referring to business ties with Russia, even. Although it does look like he's been pursuing them.

Trump has many declared and known business interests outside the US.

The issue is not what he has but how he will deal with those interests.
Inside the US, as well.
He says his children will take over, but anyone can see that's not good enough.
Imagine Chelsea taking over Clinton's actual business deals. You wouldn't find it acceptable, would you?

claig · 31/10/2016 09:40

'Trump has many declared and known business interests outside the US. '

So what? he is a businessman, he grew rich building things and taking business risks, not having his palm greased by lobbyists and charidee donations like a "career politician" who has never worked a day in business.

'Imagine Chelsea taking over Clinton's actual business deals. You wouldn't find it acceptable, would you?'

Are you referring to a charidee? I am not in favour of those.

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