Trump vs Clinton Round 3. Probably the biggest debate ever.

[claig]

Oct 20th 2 am UK time.

Last chance for the Establishment to stop the Trump surge in the polls.
World leaders will be watching, Establishments will be tuning in on the edge of their seats in trepidation.

People will be laughing, diving into the popcorn and knocking back the alcohol.

Round 3. Rock'n'roll.

No Claig, you are (wilfully I assume) misreading it. It is the policies of neglect creating gross inequalities which produce the tide of shitty resentment amongst those who have received the worst end of the deal.

So what did you love so much about will self before you read this I wonder?

Now I know it is your mission on here to suggest that the harnessing of that resentment by demagogues on both sides of the Atlantic is going to produce a bright new future, and that Self doesn't have such a rosy view, but apart from that, I think you can find a fair amount of common ground.

'So what did you love so much about will self before you read this I wonder?'

I still like him. Just because i disagree with him on lots of things and think he has the fault of being an elitist, doesn't mean that I can't see his good points of clever and funny writing.

'Now I know it is your mission on here'

I haven't got a mission, I am not a Blairite like you.

'I think you can find a fair amount of common ground.'

I like him. I read him because he is clever, interesting and funny, but I still disagree with much of what he says.

'It is the policies of neglect creating gross inequalities which produce the tide of shitty resentment '

No that is not what the patrician patronising Self is saying. He thinks people were stupid to vote for Brexit as he says to Dreda Say Mitchell. He tells here "they are not the people you think they are". He looks down on them because he is scared of them because he and his Oxbridge elitists are outnumbered by them and in a democracy, as Dreda Say Mitchell says, they decide and not him and his elitist mates.

It is the same for Oxbridge Blair who says he no longer "understands" what is going on in politics and that is why all the elitists are so scared of Trump because they can't control the people and they can't control Trump.

You know Blair hasn't been in power for quite some time right? If it's The Establishment circa 1998 you're intent on bringing down this could explain a lot...

www.npr.org/2016/10/18/498406765/npr-battleground-map-hillary-clinton-is-winning-and-its-not-close

Just in case anyone wants to read a short reasoned analysis of what is likely to happen in the election.

Claig, I know that NPR is full of frightened elites running for their lives, yada yada yada. No need to google it and then set me straight.

(NPR is national public radio in the US and one of our national treasures, superior to the BBC by yards - now that is controversial!).

Will Self is an Oxbridge elitist who thinks the "underclass" can be managed so that they will then do the right thing and not vote for Farage or for Brexit. That is probably what they teach them at Oxford. They think people have no real beliefs and convictions and that if the metropolitan elite treat them nicely and pat them on the back, then they will vote for the metropolitan elite.

Here is Chuka showing the patrician patronising view of ordinary people that is shared by the metropolitan political class. If he teaches people to do emails, then they will vote the right way.

"Ukip voters feel disconnected because they can't send emails, Chuka Umunna says

Labour's shadow business secretary says 'a lot' of people who voted for Ukip 'can't do things like' sending and receiving emails and browsing the internet"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10918012/Ukip-voters-feel-disconnected-because-they-cant-send-emails-Chuka-Umunna-says.html

That is how stupid these metropolitan politicians are, that is the level of superiority they feel towards ordinary people. That is why Trump is going to win, because these elitists disrespect the views of ordinary people and think they are all stupid or racist if they don't agree with the metropolitan elite.

The polls are unlikely to be accurate.

Here is an interesting article from teh BBC's Jon Sopel of why Trump will win and why Trump will lose. It depends which arguments you think are most convincing.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37650994

They're all criminals and they all pull out the terrorist shite on some poor group of people when they want to nick everything from large numbers of people ( not just the group targeted) and crush the culture of anyone who calls them out on their crap. 9/11 was payback for the holocaust - problem is many of us were also targeted or fought on Allied side and now don't know what to do

Clinton and Trump are two sides of the same fascist forces at work. Neither are going to represent our interests.

Thanks for that link, Pallisters, I'll sleep a bit easier in my bed tonight!

That Sopel article is just an exercise in essay writing, claig - 'What Boris can do, so can I'. He doesn't believe Trump can win from here any more than you do, in your heart of hearts.

I read somewhere that Trump supporters, not being your regular Republicans, are more likely to not bother to vote down-ticket - they'll vote for Trump, and leave it at that. It's possible, I guess.

I've watched that vid twice now, and it's shameful that campaigners will hire people to play a role

not only that - the campaign paid a 25-year-old actress to ask a cute anti-trump question at a hillary 'town hall'

excuse me - a 15-year-old child actress - not 25 - great typo

Lweji are you claiming it's made up? because the guy got fired. Are you trying to say it's not true that Clinton campaigners faked and filmed trouble at Trump rallies?

I think the great value of polls in this new unpredictable age is that they do lengthen the odds on the candidate most likely to win.

Claig I saw that interview happen live. He barely looked at her the whole time. He was disgustingly snobby, misogynist and racist.

Lweji are you claiming it's made up?

I'm not claiming anything.
You can draw your own conclusions from the guy"s history oF fake vides and paying people on them.

As you can put two and two together when you hear one man bragging of sexual assault and women complain about him sexually assaulting him.

And has anyone missed my link to a certain candidate's financial interests in so many countries that are incompatable with a possible role as president? Including in Russia?
Never mind foundation donations. Actual business dealings. Which is why business people should stay out of politics or sell their interests abroad.

I do not think it's as likely that Clinton supporters caused trouble at Trump's rallies (or some paid them to) as that Trump paid people to say they were paid to cause trouble.

For anyone who's watched The Daily Show recorded interviews, but there for comedic value, it's very easy to manipulate videos to show what they want.

Regardless, putting a few people protesting is nothing like inciting supporters to attack them. Or to punch them.

All candidates dealt with hecklers and protesters. Only one got real trouble at his rallies.

Democrats fired

Read my posts below.

By the way, there was a rogue "not" in there.
I meant "I do think it's as likely"... although the meaning changes little.

The guys resigned lweji

You know Blair hasn't been in power for quite some time right? If it's The Establishment circa 1998 you're intent on bringing down this could explain a lot
Actually, that was a defining moment in a lot of people's history that would have caused the break in the 'they know what they are doing' narrative. It was for me. I was a fully paid up member but my disgust was so visceral that it set me on the path of questioning 'expertise', questioning the discourse produced by these 'experts', questioning it all. This says it all:

www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/oct/15/tony-blair-selfie-photo-op-imperial-war-museum

Lweji imagining that trump paid people to say they were paid to cause trouble at his rallies is just desperate. You won't believe anything that doesn't confirm your world view even when the evidence is right there.

The guys resigned lweji

And why?

But I'll repeat what I posted just now.
Trump's was the only campaign where protesters got attacked.

Because he was caught doing bad things for Hillary clinton

You won't believe anything that doesn't confirm your world view even when the evidence is right there.

That is rich!
Have you said that to claig?

I'm just keeping my sceptical hat on in a campaign of dirty tricks.
They may or may not have paid protesters. There's nasty people on both sides.
But, yes, I don't blindly trust an edited video by a person who has a history of faking them. And I stress blindly.
Because I'm not gullible in relation to any candidate.

And what about the firebombing?