Trump vs Clinton Round 2. Bigger debate than the last one.

[claig]

Round 2, Monday morning 2 am UK time.

Will "the real Trump" show up?

It's gradually becoming clear from claig's many helpful posts on the corrupt global establishment that it must consist of:

Women
Ethnic minorities
The young
Non-racists
People who pay their taxes
People with education
Anyone with an interest in the future

Did I miss anyone?

Those bodies and individuals most in favour of open borders are the richest - like Goldman Sachs and George Soros for example - and the poorest - both of whom benefit. The people who pay are not the Goldman Sachs and Soros's of the world. They benefit hugely, from being able to keep wages low, as supply is almost infinite: and from freedom to move money around and avoid / evade tax. Poor migrants will benefit too, until saturation is reached (witness those leaving Sweden and Germany to go back to Iraq). The people who pay for all the fluidity are the ones who stay put, who work hard, invest their taxes and their labour into their nation state, only to see their wages pushed down, their resources stretched more thinly and their essentials - such as a roof over the head - driven up in price as demand, like supply, is almost infinite. It's a very sad situation, and very undesirable.

Not true WinchesterWoman. Immigration has not depressed wages in this country. There is plenty of information on this.

Then why are their nails chewed down more than even Gordon Brown's, our own Great Leader, used to be whenever he saw a picture of Thatcher hanging above the stairs n Number Ten Downing Street?

I haven't seen many pictures of Assad's nails recently, but I am sure he is rooting for Trump.

It is certainly true that many, many people fear what would happen if Trump became president, mainly because he is an angry man who has never demonstrated any knowledge of world affairs, economics or social policy.

Seem to be a lot of attacks on Claig - I don't know why. Claig is ever so polite and doesn't rise to the bait. Perhaps it's because of the indefatigability and robust approach. It's not common I think. Perhaps people feel a sad need to 'take it down'. How dare you Claig, being so persistent and good-humoured!

I think perhaps we have been through this: obviously you are wrong. We will have to beg to differ.

Could Hilary open America's borders to the world? No.

Could Trump end diplomatic relations with every other country on the planet? Yes.

WinchesterWoman, it is a delibearte destruction of the middle class as you can see by watching last night's excellent (and that is an unusual thing to say of Newsnight) BBC Newsnight report on Trump fans in Youngstown, Ohio. It is the elite's classic divide and rule in order to destroy the middle class and make their life more difficult in preparation for their long-planned sustainable society where the 1% grow rich and everybody else struggles to heat their homes, buy a home, or afford the fees to get a good education.

AFAIC there is no attacking Claig on this thread. It's just his sweeping statements that are being questioned. None of this is personal. In fact I complimented him on his tenacity at one point

What a pointless and meaningless post.

I must away. Goodnight to the revolutionaries.

Very quickly Claig: couldn't agree with you more. Keep posting.

By which i mean, yes, the destruction of the home-owning middle class is the ultimate aim. Agenda 21 and all that.

Seem to be a lot of attacks on Claig - I don't know why

No, there is some disagreeing with Claig from those who have the energy.

WinchesterWoman, I thought you and Claig were supposed to be the revolutionaries here. You, Claig and Steve Hilton against the world.

'The middle class is dying. The proof is in America’s cities

According to a new Pew study, four out of five urban centers have seen household incomes shrink since 2000 '

www.salon.com/2016/05/14/the_middle_class_is_dying_partner/

That is the reason that Trump is still hanging in there despite everything thet the Establishment, the Bushes, Wall Street, the corporations, the media and the world leaders can throw at him, and it is because Trump is intenet on saving the middle class that he will win and defeat the "corrupt global establishment" after the greatest challenge they have ever faced.

Yes I was saying goodnight to the revolutionaries

would the conformists like one too? goodnight y'all

I have also complimented Claig a number of times. I said they should do this for a living.

I see Pravda is opening a new office in London soon.

I'm honoured WW !

Goodnight to you too

The "joy of open borders" is a one world govt. This is the direction in which EU is moving (known to senior politicians) and ditto in North America. The world will eventually be divided into "territories", "regions", countries will lose their individual names and borders.

Claig I'm not clear what will become of Arabia, seeing as many are being encouraged to go to Europe and USA. I think there is a covert agreement between EU-USA-ME, the extent of which is currently hidden and is referred to as TTIP.

Trump would not know an econonomic policy if it slapped him in the face. He is very good at borrowing money (not always so good at paying it back) and he is reality TV gold. However, you might as well elect Basil Brush as president.

Ah Trump.

Let!: just remind ourselves of some more of his greatest hits

edition.cnn.com/2015/08/08/politics/donald-trump-cnn-megyn-kelly-comment/

Good genes, very good genes

m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_57ab37d7e4b08ab70dc0f646

'The "joy of open borders" is a one world govt. This is the direction in which EU is moving (known to senior politicians) and ditto in North America. '

It is all ending. We teh British people stopped it with Brexit. They threw everything they had at us - "punishment budgets" and warnings that it would be the "end of Western Civilization" but we laughed, took pens to the polling booths instead of pencils and said "Hell No!"

Now Trump has said "Hell No!" to TTIP, NAFTA, TPP and the "corrupt global establishment". They have no supporters apart from the media, Trump's rallies are far greater than theirs. Trump is going to end their entire globalised game.

Portillo says he can't make accurate predictions any more because everything is turned upside down, Blair says he doesn't "underdtand" what is happeneing in politics, PPE courses are being rewritten from scratch and they are going back to fundamentals, Farage is clueless and doesn't understand why people shout "Lock Her Up", Steve Hilton is on Fox flying the UK flag and gets it, but few others do.

It is all over. It is the people vs the elites and the people are going to win.

God I'm so stuck here
Also that Greek finance minister - Varoufakis - wasn't he onside as well? Am I wrong?

goodnight
bugger off the lot of you
goodnight