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Excited about the Labour leadership announcement

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Badgoushk · 22/09/2016 20:06

For full disclosure I'm a Jeremy Corbyn supporter. I'm quite excited and hopeful that he's won again. Anyone else feeling it?!

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EnthusiasmDisturbed · 24/09/2016 23:09

Of course there is spin around Corbyn

As for being too weak or scared they are just rebellious backbenchers nothing more they don't have the competence or intelligence there is nothing more to it

claig · 24/09/2016 23:19

'As for being too weak or scared they are just rebellious backbenchers '

But they are in charge now. They have to put people in their box and lead.

The tax guru who was invited by McDonnell to help out seems to have fallen out with McDonnell. What the hell is going on with McDonnell? Has he got bottle or not? If he carries on falling out with anyone able to help him, he will be forced to go back to the 172 and ask them to "tutor" him over leadership i.e. invite them back out of their box and beg them to take the driving seat again, and then it will be all over for Labour and Blair will resurface and lecture the public at a Progress meeting and the 172 will applaud in unison and the public will give up with Labour and vote Tory.

it is touch and go at the moment, but at least the 172 and Owen Banter were defeated. That is a positive start.

Radicalrooster · 25/09/2016 00:00

Corbyn will never win power. His supporters are so geographically concentrated that they have no purchase among the key marginal constituencies, nor do they have any ability to make a swing vote count. Besides which, to have any remote chance of winning in 2020, and bearing in mind that no remotely significant number of former Conservative voter will ever favour him, Corbyn will have to somehow make huge inroads into the 4 million strong UKIP vote. How easy will that be?

Put it this way. How well do you think a man who instinctively, and beyond any shadow of a doubt, identifies more closely with a Syrian or refugee or Palestinian prisoner than with a member of Britain's armed forces, will ever come across to a UKIP voter? The answer is....obvious.

His open borders stance, his virulent and unswerving anti-Americanism that leads him to the most appalling political bedfellows, and his tolerance for sexism, anti-semitism and general bullying within his own party, all of these will bar him from true political power for eternity.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/09/2016 00:14

Goodbye Labour party - goodbye to any chance of having a proper opposition Sad

BakewellTartAgain · 25/09/2016 00:23

I thought I was past caring really but radicalrooster your second para actually brought tears to my eyes. One doesn't need to be a UKIP voter..

Kaija · 25/09/2016 00:42

Grim assessment of where we are now:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/24/only-liberalism-can-thwart-demagogues?CMP=twt_gu

Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/09/2016 11:52

And now Ken Livingston is taking about deselection of those that don't get into line

Poor Ken - as a dedicated communist he's waited a lifetime for a leader who'll no doubt back this kind of thing, and now it's someone who stands almost no chance of winning a general election

If they deselect for more extremist candidates they're even more screwed, and if they keep the current "172" there'll be yet more trouble ahead. They may clamour to come back for their place at the trough, but it remains a fact that the majority of them declared no confidence in JC

If anyone can explain how that could possibly be made to work I'd love to hear it

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 25/09/2016 12:13

Ken seems to be on the radio and tv all the time Hmm

Moderate MP's need to get together and work on getting people to join the party so membership is not over run by the far left

i want to know why on Sunday politics nothing has been mentioned about the abuse mp's are getting its like its been accepted this is how the far left are and we just have to accept it

peteneras · 25/09/2016 12:47

I hope the 172 Labour MP's who opposed JC's leadership should now do the honourable thing and resign. Go!

Just GO!!!

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 25/09/2016 12:52

What a fantastic idea the opposition having around 60 mp's

I am sure many momentum supporters will be agreeing with you

AllThePrettySeahorses · 25/09/2016 12:53

peteranas I hope you are not serious. Hard working, committed, talented, true Labour MPs should actually resign because they have no confidence in a useless, serial shit-stirring 'leader'?

peteneras · 25/09/2016 12:54

Opposition?

What opposition?

SwedishEdith · 25/09/2016 12:59

i want to know why on Sunday politics nothing has been mentioned about the abuse mp's are getting its like its been accepted this is how the far left are and we just have to accept it

Peston discussed it with Yvette Cooper.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 25/09/2016 13:02

Excatly there hasn't been a crediable one since Corbyn became leader as he can't lead the party

But there will be even less of an opposition should they all resign which they won't as they have the support of the electorate that is why they are there

SwedishEdith · 25/09/2016 13:02

Actually, to be clear, they discussed the abuse McDonnell gave to Esther McVey. But there was a general discussion in the studio about abuse and anti-Semitism within the party.

LittleHoHum · 25/09/2016 13:07

It is really weird.

The cult Corbyn supporters are more interested in purging their party of so called 'enemies' than in trying to win power. All this in fighting makes them look like losers. Corbyn does not come across as a winner. Why can't they see it?

WheelofPan · 25/09/2016 13:08

No OP I'm not excited about the announcement. It's a bit misery-making. IF the Tories could chose a Lab leader it would be JC.

Not that Owen Smith would have been much cop - scrape slightly his veneer and there's a rather unpleasant individual under it - It would have just determined by how much we will lose in 2020.

WheelofPan · 25/09/2016 13:10

The more I look at JC and Momentum the more suspicious I get of the 'kinder, gentler politics' stuff. He is being disingenuous.

Esp when McD refuses to withdraw comments made about McVey, as nasty as she is.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 25/09/2016 13:15

I watched Andrew Neil

WheelofPan · 25/09/2016 13:16

and....??

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 25/09/2016 13:22

It was a response to Swedish ....

WheelofPan · 25/09/2016 13:32

oh, sorry.

Not looking fwd to CLP meet coming up. Whenever that will be.

peteneras · 25/09/2016 13:47

I don't know . . . that's what you (and the 172) said, that JC can't win a General Election. Has he lost one yet? All I see is his mandate has increased. There's no opposition because of its in-fighting - thanks to the 172! Yes, they should now go away quickly, they are just 172 individuals - nothing more - that won't be missed and their replacements can be easily found from the majority of the Labour Party membership who would work with JC and form an effective opposition.

LittleHoHum · 25/09/2016 13:52

Those 172 MPs have been elected in a democratic vote by Labour Party supporters.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 25/09/2016 13:59

Labour have under his leadership performed dismally in local elections worse results for an opposition party in 30 years and also in strong hold council elections and that's with momentum being out in force trying to gain support

The party membership isn't even 1 million it's a very small percentage of the electorate

The 172 won't resign some might be pushed out no matter how I have pressure mementum out on them many have worked hard for years for the Labour Party why should they leave because a few idealistic party members disagree with them

An IRA and other terrorists groups sympathiser is never ever going to be PM it just will never happen

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