Excited about the Labour leadership announcement

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For full disclosure I'm a Jeremy Corbyn supporter. I'm quite excited and hopeful that he's won again. Anyone else feeling it?!

A pp is right the 172 need to leave. Bite the bullet and make approaches to the lib dems or frankly to anyone. Try and build up an effective opposition and leave corbyn to it.

Little, exactly!

Why can't they see it?

Maybe for the same reason extremists fail to see most things - because they simply don't want to?? Those who kid themselves that JC's backing from party members will translate to support among the wider electorate might do well to take off the blinkers

I also agree with Pan that this pretence about "kinder politics" is disingenuous in the extreme, as a recent decision from Momentum shows clearly: www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/19/momentum-drops-pledge-to-non-violence-from-code-of-ethics

peteneras, good to see you discussing politics instead of the merits of Eton and other top public schools. I hadn't realised you were a Labour Party member.

Re the 172 - in the UK we don't actually cast our vote for a political party. We elect an individual to be the MP for our constituency. By custom and practice most candidates are members of political parties, so we know which way they will vote if they get elected. We also know that the PM will be the leader of the party with the majority of MPs. That makes it feel like we are voting Labour or Tory or whatever, but actually we aren't.

From time to time an MP changes party mid-parliament. Sometimes they resign and stand again in a by-election (as Douglas Carswell did when he joined UKIP), but they're not obliged to.

Even if all 172 of those MPs resigned from Labour and started a new party, they would be under no obligation to resign as MPs. Actually, they were elected on a manifesto which Corbyn has abandoned and they are sticking to, so perhaps he and his tiny band of MP supporters should resign and stand again on a manifesto that reflects his new priorities. I wonder how well they would do.

So is JC being elected democratically. You have a political party, have you not? And in the organisation you have your rules and regulations, have you not? JC breezed through all this to become leader - TWICE - and if one should disagree with him, it's the natural and honourable thing to resign and go somewhere else and do something else.

David Cameron, Prime Minister (now ex) resigned instantly when the vote went against him. So what's the problem with 172 lowly individuals? Like I said, GO!

Well written gaspode. Just spotted this thread, going to go back and read with interest.

I am not voting for labour under JC in the next GE . I actually like and respect my MP so if she stood as an independent or joined the lib dems (unlikely) then she'd still have my vote.

This whole affair has left me 😲 That a party can so firmly abandon their manifesto and show no regard for the electorate.

Then Corbyn should have resigned from his position as Labour MP within his first year of being in parliament as he always rebelled against his own party

It's a democracy mp's are not obliged to agree with their party leader all the time of they did and they are in power that is heading towards a dictatorship

Cameron resigned as he felt he was not the right person to lead the country anymore as his views differed from the result it's a matter of opinion if you or I think he should have stayed he could have stayed

And why should mp's that have worked for years for the Labour Party go because a group of mostly very naive people that by their own account had very little interest in politics before have little understanding of our political history don't like them or those that have come from the far left and infiltrated tha party. Why not join the Socialist Labour Party this is where Corbun should be as his views are firmly in place with theirs

Ffs on question time one supporter thought he was great because he didn't wear an expensive suit

Peterneras, you're hilarious. How many times has Jeremy Corbyn voted against his party? He's hardly in a position to be demanding unconditional loyalty.

Hang on, if 20% of the LP members who were eligible to vote couldn't be bothered or couldn't bring themselves to vote for either Smith or Corbyn, doesn't that mean that Corbyn only got 48%(ish) of the total possible votes?

David Cameron, Prime Minister (now ex) resigned instantly when the vote went against him

For that matter, JC could have done the same after losing the no confidence vote from the PLP ... or do you seriously suggest that the views of one man count for more than so many others who indicated they just can't work with him?

To be fair, that vote was delivered by MPs rather than the whole party or the electorate. However most people in possession of any principles (or even a brain) might well consider their position untenable under such circumstances

Let's get this straight, voting against or for, a party's particular policy is what a democratic parliament is all about. It happens everyday, well almost everyday, in parliament.

But to openly walk out on your democratically elected leader and invoke a motion of no confidence in him and failed, and still try to cling on like a leech is beyond repugnant.

Hmm. You would like to de-select 172 Labour MP's (which is a figure of three quarters of Labour MP's). All of them have been voted for in a democratic election, so you want to piss off three quarters of your potential supporters.

Good luck. You'll need it.

I'm excited about JC because for me the biggest issue in UK politics is that 25% (yes a quarter) of the voters in the last election voted for parties that ended up with 1.5% of the MPs (10 out of 650).

The combination of JC and the recent gerrymandering by the Tories will push the number of voters in the country whose vote no longer counts for anything over the 50% mark...then we might wake up to needing PR.....

voting against or for, a party's particular policy is what a democratic parliament is all about

That's perfectly true, and I'm the first to agree that some of JC's votes against his own party may have been on the basis of genuine principle - but 500-odd times?? In all honesty, do you really think this man is in any position at all to talk about loyalty from others?

David Cameron, Prime Minister (now ex) resigned instantly when the vote went against him

For that matter Corbyn also campaigned for Remain (at least when he wasn't on holiday). Perhaps he should have resigned then too...

So MP's are to follow the party leader blindly, no matter that many party voters (45%) were confused as to who the party was officially supporting during tje referendum, that the leadership are not communicating to their mp's and requests for meetings are ignored, MP's are harassed by support groups in front of the party leader and are so upset they flee is tears and the party leader ignores this (well no he promises to contact the person harassing his MP by text), the party leader goes on holiday during EU referendum, the party leader ignores that his mp's are having to report issues of being threatened and some are under police protection, the fact the party are losing votes as shown in the local elections these are just some of the reasons that mp's came to that decision

And you think MP's are meant to ignore the above

Thank fuck for the 172 this is not what should be happening in our politics a party that over 9 million people voted for

mother yes of course...but JC will make the situation worse to the point that surely people will actually sit up and take notice!

I mean labour voters will be joining the growing crowd of people whose vote doesn't count in the new tory landslide world.

mp's are not obliged to agree with their party leader all the time of they did and they are in power that is heading towards a dictatorship

Judging by the rumblings about deselection, it might even be thought that a dictatorship is precisely what some labour members want ...

I agree Puzzle

Part of me hopes MP's will break away but then that really will be the end of the Labour Party

Yeah, I saw the Times headline today, which went along the lines of "Most Labour MPs are safe from deselection" - note the most. Nothing like a veiled threat, eh, lovely avuncular Corbyn? It's a bloody disgrace. As others have said, those 172 MPs were voted for by their constituents - you know, the general electorate who they represent.

Enthusiasm considering what it's come to, it may be that the more rational MPs/members forming a new party is the only way to save their traditional and honourable concepts and enable them to form an electable group

If this is what it takes to save a real opposition from oblivion, then that works for me - the question to my mind is whether there's anybody with enough principle and guts to do it

Why should those 172 MPs resign? They are members of the Labour party and acted as they see it in the best interests of the Labour party. Corbyn and his supporters in the majority are in a position to pursue their political agenda but it doesn't mean that they can dictate that everyone member of the Labour party must share their vision of their Labour manifesto. My DB considered leaving the party but he has decided to hold on to his membership so that he still has a voice and a vote, albeit a tiny one. I am hoping that in the next four years before Labour get's crushed in the GE these MPs can organise and recruit new members to the Labour party in numbers large enough to counter the Corbyn supporter numbers, that's where they need to catch up and take a leaf out of Corbyn's playbook. I assumed that the vast majority of new Labour Corbyn supporting members would be under 25 and I was shocked to see that Smith not Corbyn had the majority of under 24 year old votes, that shows the younger population could be appealed to.

It's going to be a long four years though until the GE puts an end to this fantasy.

People who've previously voted UKIP etc telling us that decent left wing MPs like Lisa Nandy should be deselected is what's gone wrong with the party this year.