Media coverage deliberately biased against Corbyn, British public believes

[claig]

The public understand the media's game.

There is no fooling the public or the Corbynistas. The usual tactics of the metropolitan elite have failed.

"Perception of unfairness extends beyond supporters of Labour leader"
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A majority of the British public believe the media is deliberately biased against Jeremy Corbyn and seeking to portray him in a negative light.
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Women in the Labour selectorate were more likely to believe the coverage was biased than men and older people in the group were also more likely to believe it had been deliberately biased "

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-poll-labour-leadership-media-bias-believe-against-him-supporters-mi5-portland-a7225031.html

Corbyn believes in uncontrolled immigration and McDonnell believes that by the end of the century countries will no longer have borders. This is nonsense and claptrap and anti common sense and they are unable to change their positions because it is part of the politically correct dogma that underlies Labour thinking.

They have espoused it for decades, the echo chamber of Labour has amplified that thinking, Oxbridge teams applauded, only John Mann has the courage to call out its stupidity, but that is why John Mann can never be Labour leader, because his thinking is not "Labour correct", not "politically correct", not "Establishment correct", not "Oxbridge correct".

But even with all the claptrap, Corbyn can still win if he is able to articulate a populist vision. Whether he can do it is another matter because he seems to be too weak to defeat the Oxbridge teams who work for the Establishment and who want to end any chance of a democratic populism that will end the rigged system.

'The Blairite, middle-left voters have been strong enough to elect a government in the past. Assuming that they haven't all had a change in values, there is an opening to secure those votes.'

You have to look back in history t understand why Blair won at all.

I voted for Blair in 1997 and yet I had been a Thatcher conservative before that. Lots and lots f cnservatives voted for Blair and he won a landslide. But it was not because they were Blairites, it was because the whole country had had enough of the arrogant sleazy Tories after 18 years and needed a change. Then Blair was Tory-lite, called Tory Blair instead of Tony Blair by some Labour members, so Blir didn't scare the Tory horses and then Murdoch backed Blair so with the inertia of politics, Blair lasted for a while. I and many Tories who voted for him quickly abandoned him as the level of his duplicity, spin and political correctness became evident, but with Murdoch's backing and mainstream media spin, he and the Oxbridge teams managed to stay in power for a number of years. Finally, the public had enough of politically correct Labour and voted in another politically correct Oxbridge politician, Cameron.

Then we saw the rise of UKIP because conservatives had enough of Oxbridge and the politically correct hoody huggers, and UKIP won the European elections and the Establishment and Oxbridge teams panicked. Then Cameron and the hoody huggers made the mistake of misreading the British public and thinking that the media wuld be able to save them in a referendum, and we beat them in Brexit.

Now it is all over for the Establishment teams, politics is fractured and their media spin can't fool and unite enough people for them to win. No we have a revolution in Labour with Corbyn and now we have common sense conservatism with Theresa May.

There is no way back for the Blairites, they only succeeded because people were sick f the Tories in 1997.

The only reason Corbyn isn't part of the Oxbridge establishment is because he didn't get high enough grades to be accepted into a top elite university (or any university) unlike his brother

If he had the chance he most probably would have he certainly had the right education that leads you to the elite universities

But he choose a career faffing about in politics, never really having to concern himself about earning a working wage as he comes from wealth then became a back bencher that constantly rebelled against his party (pays well with good perks and yet what has he achieved in all
this time) and by chance because party leader

Most people do not care about theories of establishment or golden circles they vote for a party they feel will be good for them with a leader they have confidence in

As for him being a nice man he is an agitator look at his history of contacts and his friends his stance is anti American/west/UK government nothing nice about him at all

And he isn't changing politics once again voters are proving this he is changing the Labour Party under his leadership we have a weak opposition, the party is hugely split polls constantly show us far behind the Tories and most importantly we are losing voters

Corbyn should have stood for the Socialist Labour Party a long time ago his views are firmly with them yet if he did he would never have been elected as an MP a job that has paid him well and given him a fantastic pension and all for what voting against the whip and now leading the way for another Tory win

If I supported UKIP I would also be happy with Corbyn being leader

There are certainly plenty of middle-left voters about, Blairite or not. They currently have no one to represent them, but it won't last long.

'Most people do not care about theories of establishment or golden circles they vote for a party they feel will be good for them with a leader they have confidence in'

I agree, because most people don't understand how the system really works, but they all have a sense that something is wrong, that the country is not going in the right direction and that there has to be a better way. They just don't know why it is wrong.

This quote sums it up in Steve Topple's article in The Canary

"The attitudes of Labour MP’s towards the public have changed very little in over 100 years. The common theme is a basic contempt for working class people. Tristram Hunt told students at Cambridge University’s Labour Club that:

You are the top one per cent. The Labour Party is in the sh*t. It is your job and your responsibility to take leadership going forward. The way you serve the Corbyn leadership is to be as dissenting and creative as possible."

www.thecanary.co/2016/09/08/fight-soul-labour-party-much-jeremy-corbyn-opinion/

Politics has been an Establishment parlour game run by an Oxbridge metropolitan elite who think they are the one per cent, when in reality a non-Oxbridge outsider like Farage is ten times as capable as Oxbridge Tristrm Hunt of Labour.

In their Establishment parlour game, they were able to control and ignore the people for a long time because they felt they were the one per cent ad their metropolitan mates from Oxbridge were in the media to help them.

But finally the people had enough of hoody hugging and Oxbridge misthinking and the crazy hoody hugging cross-party politically correct consensus, and the People's Army was born as the people flocked to UKIP. That was the first assault on the Oxbridge insiders' stitch-up of the system. And it was an amazingly successful popular insurgency that didn't just shake the Establishment, it rocked Brussels and Europe too and finally lead to the world-changing Brexit vote which has been noticed and admired across the Atlantic by the self-styled "Mr Brexit", the populist insurgent, Donald J Trump, next people's Preident of the United States and leader of the Western world.

Meanwhile, Labour members had held their noses for years and voted for the warmongering Tory-lite Oxbridge team who ran Labour in the hope that they coud deliver victory. But after Miliband's loss, they finally had enough and said it is time for some left wing policies and the Corbyn revolution began, and this is the second phase of the assault on the Oxbridge teams which is why Oxbridge Tristram tells the next generation of the Oxbridge "one per cent"

"You are the top one per cent. The Labour Party is in the sh*t. It is your job and your responsibility to take leadership going forward. The way you serve the Corbyn leadership is to be as dissenting and creative as possible."

It is the people vs the one per cent, and for once the people have the upper hand and it looks like Corbyn will beat the 172. The outcome does not just affect Labour members, or Labour voters, it also affects the Oxbridge teams and the entire public.

local elections the worse results for an opposition party in 30 years and that's with all the unpopular cut backs

And lost a safe labour seat

Oh but membership is up so that's all that matters

'And lost a safe labour seat '

It was a council seat. Most voters don't bother turning out for that. What was the percentage turnout?

'local elections the worse results for an opposition party in 30 years'

Corbyn has had to suffer a relentless metropolitan media and BBC barrage of negative publicity as the Establishment stepped up its campaign against him in a desperate attempt to remove the politician with the highest mandate in UK political history. It is not surprising that most people now have a negative impression of Labour and even of Corbyn after hearing Corbyn being slagged off repeatedly as being useless etc by one Labour MP after another for months.

Most people don't pay that much attention to politics, unlike Momentum members, and therefore they are left with a negative impression of Labour. But as Corbyn says, after the Conference, after the 172 are put back in their box, Labour can begin to communicate positively about what it will do for the people and then it will do better in local elections, particularly after the anti-Brexit Owen Smith is no longer showing contempt for the British people's referendum vote.

Irrelevant it was a safe labour seat it should still be a labour seat momentum were out in force trying to win support

The worse results in 30 years are going to be blamed on right wing media It's always been this way apart from with Blair and that wasn't straight away. They trashed John Smith too and Corbyn has social media to use to his advantage

All excuses we are losing voters Corbyn is popular with a small number of people and many labour voters are moving away from the party. I like many other labour voters would never vote for Labour while he is leader we need to be more vocal and it's starting as the excuses are getting tiresome

He will win the leadership constest we know that we also know he will never be PM or lead an effective opposition. His stance, history and friends will prevent him ever becoming PM anyone who thinks he has a chance is deluded

A ukip supporter cheerleading for Corbyn is not doing it for the good of the Labour Party, that is for certain,

'They trashed John Smith too and Corbyn has social media to use to his advantage '

Yes, the right wing media will always trash Labour unless they carry out warmongering policies like Blair did in which case, a lot of them, but not the Daily Mail, will back him.

But what is different is that Labour MPs did not trash John Smith. Never before have so many Labour MPs trashed their own leader, elected with the largest mandate in UK political history by their own members. Now we are seeing the true panic of the Establishment as even the 172 Labour MPs turn against Labour's most popular leader ever with its own members.

'Corbyn has social media to use to his advantage '

It is fortunate for Corbyn that the stranglehold on the public mind that the Oxbridge metroplitan media had has been broken by the internet, because without that, the Establishment would have finished Corbyn months ago, but now they are losing.

'anyone who thinks he has a chance is deluded'

But that is not what the Corbynistas think or the hundreds of thousands of newly joined members or the Establishment who are giving it everything they have got, along with the 172, to try and stop Corbyn implementing real left wing policies that benefit the people.

I wonder where Seamus Milne fits in to this Oxbridge conspiracy fantasy

'A ukip supporter cheerleading for Corbyn is not doing it for the good of the Labour Party, that is for certain,'

I am doing it for the good of the country and the people. I don't care about the Labour Party who sees it fit to expel members because they once tweeted support for the Green Party or called Blair a name. I don't have any party loyalty to parties that act like that or to a Tory party that supports hoody hugging or to UKIP who lets some plonker say something stupid. I care about the country and a better politics for the people, free from an elitist Oxbridge team of idiots who are a groupthink team who are out of touch with the people.

'I wonder where Seamus Milne fits in to this Oxbridge conspiracy fantasy'

He broke free.

Bullshit Claig. You have proved yourself to be an extremely committed UKIP supporter on here again and again. What you are doing now is transparent enough.

Here is Steve Topple from The Canary again

"We made the Labour Party so furious they wrote us a letter, and it’s hilarious
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But many people were genuinely upset that they wouldn’t be able to vote. And, more often than not, it was for the most ridiculous of reasons. Tweeting once in support of the Green Party. Apparently “abusing” a Labour MP by telling them they were angry. Being “in breach of the party’s recruitment rules“, without any explanation. Tweeting in support of Palestine. Voicing their displeasure at Syrian airstrikes. And being a former member of another party.

www.thecanary.co/2016/09/08/made-labour-party-mad-wrote-us-letter-hilarious-opinion/

What sort of party is that? Is it something out of North Korea? Are you not allowed to change your mind, to praise another party, to criticize your own party or one of its Oxbridge MPs?

They are supposed to serve the people, not act like petty bureaucrats who go through their tweets line by line.

'You have proved yourself to be an extremely committed UKIP supporter'

Well I am thinking of switching back to Conservative under Theresa May becaause I am impressed with her common sense, so I am not that committed to UKIP. I vote for common sense and whoever has got most of it and right now that looks like Theresa May, now that Cameron and the Oxbridge hoody huggers are gone.

No because John Smith was a truly principled man. He wasn't as far to the left, he didn't make a career out of rebelling against his party and he didn't show solidarity towards terrorists

Let's not forget Corbyn has never been part of any peace talks or had any influence over them no matter how much spin his pr team try to make out he has

If I was an MP I certianly wouldn't be supporting him

Not that committed to UKIP? You might want to have a look at your own posting history to remind yourself how you've spent the last two or three years.

'If I was an MP I certianly wouldn't be supporting him'

Yes, but the members voted for him. How can the 250 odd or however many of them defy over 500,000 members, some of whom tirelessly work for the party and promote its interests? What sort of democracy is that? It looks like an Oxbridge North Korea we know best attitude, a bit like Owen Brent and his Brexit stance.

'You might want to have a look at your own posting history to remind yourself how you've spent the last two or three years.'

Yes becuse in 2014, I was part of the large number of Tory voters wh finally had enough of hoody hugging Cameron and decided to vote UKIP in the local elections which shook the entire system as UKIP got 29% in Essex and rocked the Tories. Since 2014, I have supported UKIP, but now with May, I may switch back to the Tories unless the hoody huggers from Oxbridge make a return.

Because members only make up a small number of voters and membership has been flooded by the far left

And those that have have been members for years and did not and would not vote for Corbyn should they be ignored apparently so

One more year two max and Corbyn will be history and will be remembered as the man that nearly destroyed The Labour Party

Let's just pretend that's true, claig. So why would a UKIP/hard right Tory waverer have such an interest in Corbyn?

Same answer as for unwavering Kippers. Having Corbyn as leader makes Labour utterly powerless and keeps any meaningful opposition to a hard/far right agenda safely out of Westminster.

'Because members only make up a small number of voters and membership has been flooded by the far left'

But the 172 are an even smaller number of voters and they are out of touch with their members and many of the unions and even the country over Brexit and are it seems are only in touch with Blair, big moneyed donors and the "magic circle".

'And those that have have been members for years and did not and would not vote for Corbyn should they be ignored apparently so'

If they are outnumbered by members who think differently, then in a democracy, their views cannot override the majority, just as the 172 cannot override the members in a democracy that is not "one per cent" and North Korean in style.

'Let's just pretend that's true, claig. So why would a UKIP/hard right Tory waverer have such an interest in Corbyn?'

Because as I have explained in this thread and others, Corbyn is a brilliant thing for the people and the country because he has shaken up the entire system and liberated us all from Oxbridge groupthink Blairism Establishment stitchups and is threatening to break their "magic circle" and democratize the labour Party and let the members and the people decide policy. Even though I am against his politically correct claptrap, there is a chance that he may liberate politics and come up with stunning left wing policies that benefit the country and the people and then even I would vote for him, just like I voted for Blair in 1997 because I am not committed to any party which expels people for the thought crime of calling Blair a name or saying that the Greens done well, all I want is what is best for the people and the country and an ounce of common sense and ideally a few less of the Oxbridge "one per cent" messing everything up.

And even if Corbyn can't deliver that, then the fact that he has swung politics to the left is a good thing because the left has some commn sense ideas and the Oxbridge hoody huggers in the Tory Party will then have to move to the left and adopt the common sense left wing policies and that will be better for the people and the result will be that the people are winners and the Oxbridge hooody huggers are losers. What's not to like about that and Corbyn?

172 are not ignoring me or many other people I know

Are you a member of the Labour Party ?

what has Corbyn done ? has lead a pathetic opposition and lead labour to be worse results in 30 years

The only changes are to the Labour Party which in turn make other parties stronger so if any shake up has happened it is not one that benefits the Labour Party

good news when it comes to elections for UKIP, the Tories, LibDems

I noticed Corbyn didn't mention any circles or the establishment the other day

He would have been made to explain himself and these conspiracies on national tv which would leave most watching think wtf is this man going on about and he wants to be PM