Media coverage deliberately biased against Corbyn, British public believes

[claig]

The public understand the media's game.

There is no fooling the public or the Corbynistas. The usual tactics of the metropolitan elite have failed.

"Perception of unfairness extends beyond supporters of Labour leader"
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A majority of the British public believe the media is deliberately biased against Jeremy Corbyn and seeking to portray him in a negative light.
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Women in the Labour selectorate were more likely to believe the coverage was biased than men and older people in the group were also more likely to believe it had been deliberately biased "

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-poll-labour-leadership-media-bias-believe-against-him-supporters-mi5-portland-a7225031.html

Rallies vs reality

That is interesting kaija

Has Corbyn responded to this yet ?

'Has Corbyn responded to this yet ?'

I think he is possibly busy at a rally addressing thousands. I don't think he has had time yet.

Forgot attending a rally with adoring followers who hang on your every word is more important than doing your job

How long does it to type a tweet ffs

Apparently it's all because the labour candidate wasn't left enough and wasn't a supporter of Jeremy

I expect Owen Smith will pounce on this news like a cat on a saucer of milk. "I blame Jeremy, he didn't even want a meeting with me" will probably be his line, followed by some offensive, egregious statement that will later be dismissed as "just banter" as his spokespeople try to salvage what they can of his campaign.

"I am not a Tory" Owen will try to convince people, as his statement is greeted with reflective silence as Labour supporters silently reflect on whether this statement holds up.

And back to Labour losing a safe seat

Apparently it's all because the labour candidate wasn't left enough and wasn't a supporter of Jeremy

JC has had over a year as leader to sort out the branches and their approved candidate lists.
Why was a candidate who doesn't support him still on the list and allowed to stand?
Surely there must have been a Corbynite willing to do the job?
The nominations closed after the leadership contest started, so there's been plenty of time

'Why was a candidate who doesn't support him still on the list and allowed to stand?'

Yes, this is the problem with Corbyn as far as I can understand it. He seems too weak to determine a direction and make sure that people who believe in it are working with him to get it done. The 172 are against him and Owen "I blame Jeremy" Smith doesn't seem to want to work with Corbyn and unless Corbyn starts growing a backbone, the 172 are going to defy him at every turn.

The 172 are irrelevant to a Council election.

This is a failure of 'the party'. Those rally's are where the Corbyn supporting council election candidates should be coming from.

'Those rally's are where the Corbyn supporting council election candidates should be coming from.'

I agree

Momentum were out in force trying to get support it didn't work

Labour support down by 9% Tory 7% UKIP 10% (or nearly) and LD up by 31%

So what has happened to this huge increase of support for Labour or is it as many agree an increase in party membership from the far left not to the wider electorate

I can see high return to parliament for the LD they will be taking UKIP voters and Labour voters that will not for while Corbyn is Leader

"he possibly busy at a rally addressing thousands"

Of left wingers, whose votes are in the back. How does he appeal to other people?

Excellent article in the Canary by Steve Topple. Well worth reading, as is the Canary in general which is much better than the New Statesman and all the Establishment organs. The Canary is real left wing, authentic and grassroots with no Establishment control.

The article discusses the history of the Labour Party and the elitism within it. It discusses why Corbyn is a completely different leader to all of its previous leaders because he really is anti-elitist and for the people and can't be controlled by the Establishment. It discusses how the members have changed and how with Brexit, not just Labour members, but voters in the whole country have changed. Corbyn intends to democratize the Labour Party, to let members decide and that is why the Establishment and the 172 want him out. Corbyn is a Labour leader like no other has ever been.

There is a new populist politics on the horizon with a democratic populace that can't be spun and controlled by an elite, the BBC and the Oxbridge teams, and that is why they want to stop Corbyn bringing about popular change. Control is slipping out of their hands and returning to the people. The 172's challenge against Corbyn is the last gasp of the ancien regime.

"The fight is on for the soul of the Labour Party, and it’s about much more than Jeremy Corbyn"

www.thecanary.co/2016/09/08/fight-soul-labour-party-much-jeremy-corbyn-opinion/

Corbyn intends to democratize the Labour Party, to let members decide and that is why the Establishment and the 172 want him out. Corbyn is a Labour leader like no other has ever been.

I can believe that. He's not very good articulating it, and certainly isn't a strong enough leader to take everyone with him.

Effectively led, it could happen quickly and relatively painlessly. As it stands, with JC at the helm, it's going to be tortuous and slow. And in the mean time, there is little effective opposition nationally, and the in-fighting within the party becomes an expensive distraction to everyday business (Islington springs to mind).

Are the no charismatic and strong characters who will stand alongside JC and lead ? I'm not sure JC has the stamina to see this through at its current pace.

NNChangeAgain, I agree with you 100%

Corbyn is weak and "too nice". If Bob Crow was Labour leader, it would all have been over by now, he would have thrashed the Oxbridge teams and Labour would have been transformed already. But Corbyn is how he is, he has negatives and positives, he is like a tortoise rather than a hare, but he will get there and defeat the Oxbridge teams in the end.

' it's going to be tortuous and slow'

Yes. It will be slow but in the end it will succeed. Smith and the 172 will be beaten, but they will be back, but in the long run, they will lose and Corbyn and the people will win.

You can't have everything. The fact that Corbyn has got so far and taken on the Oxbridge teams is a miracle, the fact that the people beat the Establishment over Brexit is a miracle, and it's not over yet.

The 172 want him out because he is destroying the Labour Party, which is of course very good news for UKIP and/or whatever horror rises from UKIP 's ashes.

Wouldn't you agree, Claig, given that you are undoubtedly Mumsnet's most tireless and vocal UKIP supporter?

I am not sure anything will come of UKIP. The Oxbridge teams will probably destroy it with inside fighting as they are trying to do to Labour.

Diane James is excellent, but my guess is that the Oxbridge teams wil sow division within UKIP and bring it to an end.

Labour is far stronger than UKIP. UKI was a protest against te metropolitan elite, but Labour is the only vehicle with enough popular support and strength to really win.

I must say you're taking ukip's demise very well given the 2 years of relentless propagandising you've been doing for it.

'I must say you're taking ukip's demise very well'

Because i am and always was a floating voter. I took Farage's loss in the election well because I understand how the Oxbridge teams work and knew that they usually get their way.

The battle for the people over the elites is a long, slow one. UKIP can't win it, but we won Brexit and now there is Corbyn and one day the people will win.

I will back the side of the people against the elites everytime, and different parties at different times will be the best hope to win, which is why is why I can take UKIP's demise lightly.

Rome wasn't built in one day and the Oxbridge teams won't be beaten overnight.

"Tories fail to block police probe into election fraud allegations in Thanet South

A judge has granted police more time to investigate Conservative expenses in the Kent constituency during the general election.
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Ukip leader Nigel Farage was fighting to win the marginal seat of Thanet South ahead of the general election, which made it a high-profile target for Conservative campaigning."

www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/06/tories-fail-block-police-probe-election-fraud-allegations-thanet-south

Farage was a minnow compared to the elites. The people can dream but dreams seldom come true. But we won Brexit and one day the people will win.

And yet this is what you were saying about ukip/Corbyn in June:

"That is why UKIP grew, because it fills the gap for common sense conservatives who did not agree with the team and the hugging of hoodies etc. So UKIP can only grow, particularly as the Labour Party is led by Corbyn and a challenging bunch of graduates from Oxbridge who do not realte to millions of ordinary working class voters who used to be their traditional base. Many of those people will prefer common sense UKIP over claptrap Corbyn or the Oxbridge Labour team."

Claptrap Corbyn? Quite a Damascene conversion you're having over there.

I have always said that Corbyn spouts a lot of claptrap because he is wedded to politically correct Labour dogma which is anti common sense. I prefer Trump and Farage to Corbyn because of common sense. But that doesn't mean I don't like Corbyn, he just has less common ense than Farage and Trump.

UKIP grew because Conservatives had had enough of Cameron and the Oxbridge hoody huggers. They couldn't vote for Corbyn because he is politically correct, and ordinary working class Labour voters are also not politically correct, so as Conservative voters raised UKIP in the polls, Labour voters joined them.

But the Oxbridge teams will end UKIP because it is a populist movement. Labour is more powerful. Farage, who is UKIP, has stood down, so UKIP's appeal will now plummet, because although Diane James is excellent, she hasn't got Farage's appeal and his ability to take it to the metropoliatn elite.

So UKIP will string along and many of us will keep voting for them to annoy the metropolitan elite, but they can't win.

The really exciting change in politics in the country is Corbyn. If he is able to articulate a populist policy and overturn the metropolitan elite consensus then he will win and even some conservatives and many UKIP voters will vote for him despite of his political correctness.

What I think is going to be most interesting is where the votes of the former "Tory-lite" Labour voters will be cast.

The Blairite, middle-left voters have been strong enough to elect a government in the past. Assuming that they haven't all had a change in values, there is an opening to secure those votes.
In Sheffield, the LibDems seem to have secured some of those votes but will they all go that way?