Have the House of Lords voted yet about the tax credits?

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Just wondering if my last hope of the House of Lords voting against the tax credits changes has happened yet?

Always have Bubblesinthesummer always will!

They will just go after other groups instead.

Sky said that if Osborne had not gone through secondary instrument he wouldn't have had this problem. Apparently he could have included it in another bill - Finance Bill - I think. Don't know why he didn't. Maybe he couldn't get it through that way.

I think backbenchers will rebel if this is put up again, so it might be dropped. (Thanks to Jacob R-M's pedantry for parliamentary standards)

But they'll find something else to go after... They always do.

They won't need to put it through again in three years, will they? They just need to agree a transitional period as that everyone who currently claims had three years warning and support.

Any new claimants will still be on the new rates from April.

The tories will probably slash them a bit more now that they are giving people notice.

Always have Bubblesinthesummer always will!

I agree. I just hope people fight as hard to stop it probably won't though

According to Sky, 8 out of 10 Tory voters don't agree with the cuts.

Bubbles yes I hope people stand up for other things too.

There has been a lot of attention to the tax credit cuts and people taking a stand but not as much attention on the deaths of people being found fit to work and then dying.

If Osborne had not used a statutory bill and had gone through the Finance Bill instead, then the HOL would not have been able to vote on it.

They won't need to put it through again in three years, will they? They just need to agree a transitional period as that everyone who currently claims had three years warning and support.

Any new claimants will still be on the new rates from April.

The tories will probably slash them a bit more now that they are giving people notice.

Exactly.

I bet the extention of free childcare is also stopped too.

Woooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

Wasn't the extension of free childcare already stopped? I seem to recall reading there wasn't funding for it.

Yeah, it goes ahead. It's delayed and there is transitional protection do current claimants but they didn't cancel the cuts, they just postponed them.

Its been a while since I did house of Lords debates, but that's right, isn't it?

Bubbles yes I hope people stand up for other things too.

There has been a lot of attention to the tax credit cuts and people taking a stand but not as much attention on the deaths of people being found fit to work and then dying.

I know These are also the groups that can't always fight for themselves

Used a Statutory Bill to try and sneak it through the back door like nobody would notice. That backfired then

Sorry, cross posts with a few people!

Yeah, it goes ahead. It's delayed and there is transitional protection do current claimants but they didn't cancel the cuts, they just postponed them.

Correct and new claimants are still affected.

A lot of water to go under the bridge in three years. The Tories have shown their true blue colours now and hopefully the electorate have finally realised exactly what they are like.

Doesn't end here, I'm damned sure. The IFS can't be ignored

Thanks NotToday.

I do feel sorry for people who will start claiming. It seems a bit of a cop out to say that it's too harsh to switch everyone too in April but new claimants can have that and then in three years, old claimants can too.

It almost feels like they should either decide that this is fair amount to live on, for anyone entitled to help, or its not.

It almost feels like they should either decide that this is fair amount to live on, for anyone entitled to help, or its not

Very true.

I'm sure if possible there could be legal challenges to it.

How for example can you pay two sets of families two different amounts when they earn the same, just because of when they start their claim!?

As things stand this evening there will be no changes in April 2016 for any tax credit claiming person as the SI was just rejected by the HoL's. There won't be two rates.

Now we just have to wait for Osborne's vicious response and the next big bad.

Apart from the freeze obviously, which is a cut in real terms.

And it begins:

Michael Ellis, a Conservative MP, has just told Sky News that the decision of the Lords to vote against legislation passed by the Commons with cost implications worth billions is “an outrage to the constitution”.

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That's all.