Have the House of Lords voted yet about the tax credits?

[Fantasyland]

Just wondering if my last hope of the House of Lords voting against the tax credits changes has happened yet?

[Isitmebut]

Devilishpygamas …… I guess the FACT that the rich are paying far more tax, and the poor were given more help NOW under the Conservatives, than under Labour e.g. as real earning FELL took away the 10p start rate of tax, matters not.

Labour had THE ‘millionaires tax’ Capital Gains Tax at a historic 10% (tapered) low when courting the rich/hedge funds, and only raised the 40% rate 12 years and 11 months into a 13-year administration – and what with screwing everyone with the likes of ever higher Council Taxes, derisory State pension rises that never compensated AND ruined Private pension savings that could come close to those in the Public Sector – the lectures on the Conservatives are for the mega rich and Labour are for ‘the people’, is ideological rollocks.

Another 6-years of Labour would have meant the possibility of trying to sustain the unsustainable would have gone on for a little longer, but with no help to small, medium and large businesses, or people who saw their inflation adjusted earnings fall from 2008 – the UK economy with similar low economic/jobs growth to the rest of Europe todate, PLUS a substantially larger annual budget deficit – would have been a near economic basket case and the IMF would have slashed all our spending, including on the NHS and benefits.

[blacksunday]

Being disabled has actually left many dead.

[YakTriangle]

Well said Squidzin. I skim read those ridiculously long Torybot posts

[Devilishpyjamas]

I don't vote Labour. I run a small business.

I have watched my severely disabled child get shafted and then some under the Tories. If their priority is protecting the most vulnerable, they have a funny way of showing it.

We can play ping pong with the economics www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jun/25/economic-case-against-austerity-uk-overwhelming but that's not the point. Where are Tory priorities? They've closed Remploy factories, they've scrapped the independent living fund, cut payments for access to work schemes, cut ESA. Two thirds of those affected by bedroom tax are disabled, they have slashed LA budgets to the point where social care simply cannot be afforded. The cuts have affected the disabled the most. Poor families with a disabled child have lost five times the much as better off able bodied families. These are all Tory choices. Okay, make an argument for saving money. But you don't have to shaft the most vulnerable to do that. If you do, I call that nasty.

[claig]

'I skim read those ridiculously long Torybot posts'

I skip them completely.

[Isitmebut]

I've never known a recession, never mind the worst in over 80-years Labour passed to the Conservative coalition, where the poorest in society's homelessness, income, job prospects, life chances/expectancies, stress levels etc stayed the same, never mind got better.

Your assumption appears to be that everything was roses up to May 2010, and after that, there were NO new measures to help the disabled of any kind, people died due to the government addressing the problems inherited - and that Labour would not have done anything different from May 2010 themselves - when the links on the previous page i.e. Labour putting up taxes and threats to cut welfare MORE than the Tories, shows otherwise.

In a world of 'IFs', if taxes would have kept going up, and 2 million more jobs weren't created DUE to coalition policies, I could easily suggest that due to total depression under an incompetent government offering NO hope to the old with piss poor state pensions, down the generations to the young who's jobless rate trended up from around 500,000 in 2004 to nearly 1 million in 2010 - the suicide/death rate would have risen even higher.

[Isitmebut]

'I skim read those ridiculously long Torybot posts'

And I skip the 'Kremlinbot' news flashes, from someone who funny old world, mirrors every Putin/Russian view, from anti Tory support for UKIP/Corbyn, anti UK Trident, anti 80% of the Syrian population, anti Ukraine keeping Russia out - and a Trump for U.S. President in Nov 2016 who wants to keep the U.S. out of global wars, including the Middle East.

Do you want me to cut and paste ANY MORE of your ridiculous North Korean type ra-ra promotion exercises - ranging from ex 'loadsamoney' city traders (Farage) to a 1970's pro Soviet throwback (Corbyn)?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2491403-Pat-Buchanan-Can-the-Establishment-stop-Trump-or-is-it-all-over

At least I'm consistent and in this country.

[Isitmebut]

P.S. Page 3 of that Trump link, is a claig long ra-ra post doozy. lol

[Devilishpyjamas]

I'm sorry? Did the banking crisis have nothing to do with the huge financial fuck up the country is in? Were the Tories arguing for greater regulation of the banking crisis? :weeps with laughter:

Are you seriously trying to say the Tories care more about the disabled than the other parties. I cried when the won (WTF?) the last election. My poor, poor son transitioning to adult services under this lot (& it's shaping up to be every bit as bad as I feared). I'm no fan of an over-large-intrusive State machine but you don't target the most vulnerable. And if your aim is to dismantle the state, bloody be honest about it.

:remembers why it's pointless arguing with ideological Tories - they're so far removed from the effects of policy changes they believe this shit:

[Devilishpyjamas]

*greater regulation of the bankers

[claig]

'Do you want me to cut and paste ANY MORE of your ridiculous North Korean type ra-ra promotion exercises - ranging from ex 'loadsamoney' city traders (Farage) to a 1970's pro Soviet throwback (Corbyn)?'

If you are looking for education and enlightenment, then yes, by all means.

[claig]

'At least I'm consistent and in this country.'

Yes, you're consistent alright, as consistent as drivel.

'in this country'

From the way you post, I thought you were on another planet, outta your mind in outer space

[bodenbiscuit]

I couldn't agree more Devillishpyjamas - that is exactly how I felt. Like your son, my disabled daughter will transition to adulthood under this arsehole government.

[megletthesecond]

yak I don't even bother to skim read them.

Tories believe that the rich need carrots, incentives and bonuses (oh boo hoo we must be nice to the bankers because they'll leave the uk if we don't . fucking diddums).

Whereas the less well off need sticks to make them work harder.

[claig]

''At least I'm consistent and in this country.'

From the way you post, I thought you talked from Uranus.

[MissMarpleCat]

I don't read anything by that poster either.
Adult transition services are at crisis point, that is very true. Trying to access respite is diabolical.

[Iamnotloobrushphobic]

devilish you have summarisedy feelings about how this govt treats disabled people perfectly.

[YakTriangle]

I don't know what you're talking about, isitmebut. I've never been to North Korea and every one of your post is burbled nonsense.

[blacksunday]

Today’s tax credit debate – what is the independent assessment going to reveal?

Today the House of Lords debated regulations to cut tax credits, scheduled to be introduced next April. They voted to delay this introduction until an independent assessment of their likely impact has been carried out.

In this post I want to look at what this assessment is likely to discover and why I think the government will move heaven and hell to implement the changes regardless.

touchstoneblog.org.uk/2015/10/todays-tax-credit-debate-what-is-the-independent-assessment-going-to-reveal/

[cruikshank]

Isitmebut - the tories might have had costed plans but none of them have fucking worked. The deficit is higher, the debt is higher, and they have spent more during their time in office than Labour did during their entire 13 years in power.

The tories have a reputation as being good with the economy but actually they are fucking hopeless.

[TheCaptainsCat]

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