Labour "ruling elite" "worried sick" about Jeremy Corbyn says Len McCluskey

[claig]

"Unite's Len McCluskey said "an enormous surge" of people wanted to take part after Mr Corbyn was confirmed as running "because people are inspired".

Mr McCluskey accused the "ruling elite" of "trying to rubbish" Mr Corbyn.
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He said that those who thought Mr Corbyn was "marginalised" should "watch this space".

"I know the people who will be uncomfortable, despite the fact that they are saying the opposite - and that's the ruling elite," he said.

"They try and rubbish it, they try to turn it into a joke, but secretly they will be worried sick that ordinary people are suddenly given something to inspire them and something to link onto," Mr McCluskey said."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33504201

Good luck Jeremy Corbyn. Real democracy that ruins the plans of Labour's "ruling elite".

claig ... as opposed to Farage's advisers, lauded one moment as the 'face' of UKIPs future, 'toasted' months later if dare disagree with him - the lonely life of a dictator 'churning' others opinions to first get the BNP support, then Conservative, and now the Labour/Lib Dem - like a populist sponge.

UKIP after 25 odd years of existnce got the closest to putting out a coherent domestic policy General Election manifesto just a few months ago, but was still populist shite, yet thats OK is claigs world. Curious.

If you really are a Labour activist, God help Labour. You don't understand the other half of the voting public. Get yourself a subscription to the Daily Mail, put a peg on your nose, and try and learn what other people think. You might even laugh and get a sense of humour instead of being like a party wonk asking with a straight face

"What is wrong with a rooftop wind turbine? They're terribly inefficient in urban areas"

Watch Monty Python, they probably had rooftop wind turbines in that along with the Ministry of Silly Walks.

Our whole politics has changed, the people are laughing at the metropolitan elite, we know they are spinners and Blair's coming humiliation by old-fashioned sea dog Corbyn is going to write it in big letters on teh wall. Spin is over, the people are going to win.

John Harris again, everything is changing, the wonks are in a panic.

"Around once a year now, something bubbles to the surface that shows how broken mainstream politics has become. Sometimes these things endure; often they fizzle out. But from the brief season of Cleggmania, through the on-off rise of Ukip and the so-called “green surge”, to the great political reformation in Scotland, Britain is experiencing its own version of the tumult that has broken out all over Europe. A politics built around fortysomething career politicians and three parties that fixate on an illusory centre ground is in increasing trouble."

'UKIP after 25 odd years of existnce got the closest to putting out a coherent domestic policy General Election manifesto just a few months ago, but was still populist shite, yet thats OK is claigs world. Curious.'

But don't you understand why I and 20% of Tory voters abandoned the modernisers and voted UKIP. We have had enough of the spin. We don't care if UKIP are fruitcakes or not, they are better than the spinners and at east they give us a laugh as they mock the SPADs and their rooftop wind turbines and their "let them eat cake". And that is exactly what is happening in Labour. People have had enough of the Labour modernisers and they are voting Corbyn and they don't care if he becomes PM or not, he is better than the spinners.

It is a tidal wave and it is going to take the spinners down. A new politics is forming shape before our very eyes. The modernisers don't understand it, they can't explain it, they are like King Canute and talk of a coup to stop it. Nothing can stop this because it is the mood of the people - all of the people - UKIP, Labour and Tory. We are in for a real change and not before time.

claig ... 'modernizers' for liars that pretended a UKIP could bring the UK out of the EU and stop immigration - how many MEP seats did that false representation get UKIP, and what good have UKIP MEP's done this country just working against the EU, often via Farage's grandstanding speeches?

UKIP have no real interest on doing what they say on the can, getting Independence as that would spoil the little Farage gravy train and his desperate route to Westminster.

With the EU Referendum out of the way, UKIP has nothing to offer the UK electorate other than populist crap, that you think they'd rather accept than a strong government looking to fulfil their manifesto promises.

"But don't you understand why I and 20% of Tory voters abandoned the modernisers and voted UKIP."

So yes I do, they voted for Dr 'Feelgood' Farage, snake oil salesman, offering EU promises his party could never deliver - what a platform and so different from the 'elites'.

No, they voted against the spinners, against the elites, against Blair and Cameron. They knew Farage wouldn't win and couldn't get us out of the EU yet, but they didn't care, it was enough that he was against the spinners.

Farage is the beginning of what will happen. Now the same thing is happening in Labour. It won't stop because the people have had enough.

Are you sure you are in politics. Where have you been? Don't you understand the Tory and UKIP voting public (I don't mean modernisers like Isitmebut). It is no use reading te New Statesman if you want to help Labour, you need to read the Daily Mail to see how we the other side think. Rooftop wind turbines is a laugh, Cameron had one, along with his bicycle and his chauufeeur driven car behind him carrying his lunchbox, along with his hug-a-hoodie and a husky. It is indicative of everything that is wrong with the modernisers, the wonks, the SPADs, the cads, the Westminster bubble and their spin and emphasises their divorce from the issues that affect the people, it emphasises how out of touch with ordinary people the metropolitan elite are.

I'm not in politics, I knock on people's doors once in a while. Why do you fixate on the roof top turbines rather than the policies which are tipping people into poverty?

Why do you care so much about image, about parties' brands rather than their actual policies?

But I am explaining that it goes far deeper than that and that if Miliband says he would do that, they still wouldn't vote for him. People don't say everything they think, you have to understand the mood and read the trend.

So if Farage's policy platform was based around removing immigration restrictions and increasing benefits he still would have gained 4 million votes? Unlike you I trust people when they tell me things.

He will win them over because there are issues that they will care about even more than those and Corbyn will be the only politician brave enough to tackle them. They will still care about immigration but it will recede in their list of priorities.

I think it's extremely arrogant of you to dismiss these people by saying they care more about a politician's image than their substance, their policies. Why shouldn't I believe people when they tell me what they want?? Why should I take your word for what you think they believe?

Unfortunately not, but I am in touch with the mood of the people.

Really? You thought UKIP was going to win a huge no. of seats, no? But they didn't. So you weren't as in touch as you thought you were.

'Why do you fixate on the roof top turbines rather than the policies which are tipping people into poverty?'

Because that is the spin the modernisers fixate on instead of worrying about people in poverty. I am mocking the modernisers, laughing at them because it is by laughter that we will burst the pomposity of the elite's servants and PPEs and get real change. Once we are all laughing at Blair, then he is powerless and holds no sway over us. We can change the world simply by laughing at the elite. The people can win with laughter.

'Why do you care so much about image, about parties' brands rather than their actual policies?'

Because parties rely on spin doctors and image consultants to fool and trick the people. By puncturing their spin, by laughing at their Oxbridge advisers who call people "morons" and "fruitcakes", they can be shown up for what they really are. By analysing their image and deconstructing it you can make a mockery of their message and their spin. Their image is what they ant you to see or what they want you to hear, but if you can see behind the image, behind the mask, then you will get to their real views and valuesand see what they really are.

'So if Farage's policy platform was based around removing immigration restrictions and increasing benefits he still would have gained 4 million votes? Unlike you I trust people when they tell me things.'

Absolutely because Farage represents straight talk and common sense, he is the antithesis of the modernisers, the wonks and the spinners. Even Labour understood that immigration was not the major issue and was only an articulation of what the people felt was wrong. It is much much deeper than that. People often don't say what they think in case they are dismissed by modernisers, called "morons" or "fruitcakes" for challenging the orthodoxy. If you believe what people tell you, then you are missing the big picture. It is what they won't tell you on the doorstep as a bright-eyed keen progressive canvasser that you need to find out because that is what they really think. You think "rooftop wind turbines" are meaningless and yet they are the best metaphor for everything that is wrong with our Oxbridge ot of touch political class. That is what you are missing.

'I think it's extremely arrogant of you to dismiss these people by saying they care more about a politician's image than their substance, their policies. Why shouldn't I believe people when they tell me what they want?? Why should I take your word for what you think they believe?'

No one cares about image apart from the political class which is why Corbyn has confounded the expectations of Blair and all the spinners by being a 66 year old grey-haired sea dog who unlike the modernisers has never taken drugs and yet is still a rock star to millions of young and old. If you believe what people tell you then you are naive. That explains why you probably believed what Blair told you about weapons of mass destruction. To understand people you have to get into their minds, walk a mile in their shoes, read what they read (eg the Daily Mail not just the Guardian).

'You thought UKIP was going to win a huge no. of seats, no? But they didn't. So you weren't as in touch as you thought you were.'

No, I was having a laugh, bigging them up. I don't care how many seats they win, it won't stop me voting for them because all I care about is my principles and what I believe just like the Labour party members who vote for Corbyn despite being called "morons" by the Blairite elites.

Let's laugh at the PPEs, the great and the good, the high and the mighty, their spin, their lies, their image, their rooftop wind turines, their hug-a-hoodies, their photos with huskies and their teenage gurus from Oxbridge in think tanks. Let's win by laughing. Owen Jones gets it.

We're all laughing at how a 66 year old "uncool Britannia" sea dog is routing the Blairites, the Oxbridge teams, so slick and slimy. We're all laughing except for the elite that is.

"Laugh if you like. But we need satire more than ever"
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But our social media, increasingly, are assuming a role that is crucial in a democracy: satirising and ridiculing the powerful.
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It is all too often those at the bottom of society who are demonised and derided. There’s too little punching up. Where is the scrutinising – and yes, ridiculing – of the poverty-paying bosses, the tax dodgers, or the bankers responsible for economic disaster? Satire can be brilliantly effective at encouraging us to challenge the way our society is run. It is a more crucial element of our democracy than we perhaps think, and we should fight to bring it back to the prime-time slots it deserves."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/07/laugh-satire-establishment-ridicule-democracy

That is why laughing at "rooftop wind turbines" will bring the people victory, that is why Cameron had to cut and run and cry "cut the green crap" inspite of all his long-held spin beliefs, because he knows the public are laughing at him and at the modernisers.

Because that is the spin the modernisers fixate on instead of worrying about people in poverty. I am mocking the modernisers, laughing at them because it is by laughter that we will burst the pomposity of the elite's servants and PPEs and get real change. Once we are all laughing at Blair, then he is powerless and holds no sway over us. We can change the world simply by laughing at the elite. The people can win with laughter.

The person I've seen fixating on wind turbines is you, claig.

Because parties rely on spin doctors and image consultants to fool and trick the people. By puncturing their spin, by laughing at their Oxbridge advisers who call people "morons" and "fruitcakes", they can be shown up for what they really are. By analysing their image and deconstructing it you can make a mockery of their message and their spin. Their image is what they ant you to see or what they want you to hear, but if you can see behind the image, behind the mask, then you will get to their real views and valuesand see what they really are.

I don't agree. Cameron promised billions of spending cuts. He's delivered billions of spending cuts. Blair promised more money for the NHS, he delivered more money for the NHS etc. The conservatives have never been shy about being a lower tax, lower spend party, nor have Labour been shy about being higher tax, higher spend. And that's generally what they are.

Absolutely because Farage represents straight talk and common sense, he is the antithesis of the modernisers, the wonks and the spinners. Even Labour understood that immigration was not the major issue and was only an articulation of what the people felt was wrong. It is much much deeper than that. People often don't say what they think in case they are dismissed by modernisers, called "morons" or "fruitcakes" for challenging the orthodoxy. If you believe what people tell you, then you are missing the big picture. It is what they won't tell you on the doorstep as a bright-eyed keen progressive canvasser that you need to find out because that is what they really think. You think "rooftop wind turbines" are meaningless and yet they are the best metaphor for everything that is wrong with our Oxbridge ot of touch political class. That is what you are missing.

Labour tacked to the right on immigration. It was one of the 5 pledges on the pledge cards delivered. People blame immigration for some things which they are right about. I.e. more pressure on housing, downward pressure on wages. It's a real concern for people and bizarre that you're dismissing it. I do ask people what they really think, and unlike you I don't dismiss their thoughts and views because it doesn't agree with my preconceptions.

No one cares about image apart from the political class which is why Corbyn has confounded the expectations of Blair and all the spinners by being a 66 year old grey-haired sea dog who unlike the modernisers has never taken drugs and yet is still a rock star to millions of young and old. If you believe what people tell you then you are naive. That explains why you probably believed what Blair told you about weapons of mass destruction. To understand people you have to get into their minds, walk a mile in their shoes, read what they read (eg the Daily Mail not just the Guardian).

Well according to you, voters care a hell of a lot about image, as they only voted for Farage because of his alleged man of hte people persona. I read the Daily Mail a lot. The Daily Mail tells me house prices, immigration & benefit fraud feature highly on the list of people's concerns. Do you disagree?

No, I was having a laugh, bigging them up. I don't care how many seats they win, it won't stop me voting for them because all I care about is my principles and what I believe just like the Labour party members who vote for Corbyn despite being called "morons" by the Blairite elites.

What are these principles? Apparently people only vote UKIP because of the image & personality of Farage. Do you think he's a god? Is that why you vote for him?

The person I've seen fixating on wind turbines is you, claig.'

Because I am mockig their spin and so is Farage and UKIP which is why they had to change course in desperation and cry "we've gotta cut the green crap" and that made me laugh even more. We've got them on the run simply by laughing. If Labour want to beat Cameron, all they have to do is join in and mock the rooftop wind turbines, believe me ordinary people laugh at it already. The trouble is that Labour can't mock it because like you they take it seriously. That is why Farage can clean up.

"Labour MPs deride David Cameron's rooftop wind turbine as petty tokenism, but what of their own leader's attempts to curry favour with the green lobby? In an interview with The Times last week, Gordon Brown began flashing his environmental credentials by bragging about the solar panels at his home in Fife.

"Very quietly, we put solar panels on our home in Scotland quite some time ago," he said. "We have been operating with solar power for some time."

Not quite true, says the London-based renewable energy supplier Solar Century. The Browns' home is apparently fitted with solar thermal hot water collectors, which provide hot baths but no electricity. Says a spokesman: "So much for trying to score cheap points!"

www.independent.co.uk/news/people/pandora/pandora-gordons-back-in-hot-water-766121.html

We vote farage because he is like us, he laughs at the metropolitan elite like we do, he speaks common sense. There is no image with Farage, just like there is n image with Corbyn. What you see is what you get - truth and no spin.

"Do you think he's a god? Is that why you vote for him?"

He is not the Messiah, he is a very naughty boy, he is taking it to the metropolitan elite and making us laugh as we watch them spin, just as Corbyn is doing now also.

Care to answer the rest of my message?

Unfortunately I think winning the next election will take more than simply mocking rooftop turbines.

Farage is a an expenses cheat married to an EU immigrant - I think he's spinning as much as anyone.

'Care to answer the rest of my message?'

Your questions are a bit boring and nit-picking, like having to explain the obvious about "rooftop wind turbines" and why UKIP voters lap thhat sort of stuff up. But I will answer your other points.

'I don't agree. Cameron promised billions of spending cuts. He's delivered billions of spending cuts. Blair promised more money for the NHS, he delivered more money for the NHS etc. '

You don't win elections by promising to cut spendiing and closing libraries. That is not why people voted Tory, and no one believes a thing Blair promises or promised. The man is a spinner, he would promise the moon if a spin doctor told him too. People are not naive enough to believe teh promises of modernisers such as "the end of boom or bust" or Cameron's promise to cut immigration to the tens of thousands. No one believes the modernisers. What is different with Corbyn is we all believe him (even UKIP and Tory voters). we think he may just have teh guts to pull it off and that is why Corbyn could win and that is why the Establishment has called on every spinner, every PPE and every progressive they can find to lecture Labour party members to try and stop Corbyn just as they tried to stop Farage. Those spinners work for the Establishment, not for the people, and when the Establishment says jump, a moderniser says "how high?"

'Labour tacked to the right on immigration. It was one of the 5 pledges on the pledge cards delivered. '

No one believed them. It was PPEs tacking to the right, Oxbridge Miliband. It is a joke. No one trusts a word they say. That is teh difference with Farage and Corbyn, they are outside the system, their supporters are branded "morons" and "fruitcakes" by servants of the system and that is why the people trust them and don't trust the system and its servants.

'People blame immigration for some things which they are right about. I.e. more pressure on housing, downward pressure on wages. It's a real concern for people and bizarre that you're dismissing it.]

Of course they are right and of course it is a concern but they are not stupid, they know the Establishment and its servants will never listen to them, so they vote for Farage knowing he can't change things yet, but they don't care, they still register a protest and a similar thing is happening with Corbyn, unions are calling Blairism "a virus", we are in the midst of a popular revolt against the servants of the system. But in reality, there are even more important issues to the people than immigration and it is only Corbyn that is likely to have the courage to address those. Farage can't do that, because he comes froma different mindset, a Tory mindset. It will take the next generation of UKIP to be able to offer what Corbyn can offer now.

'I do ask people what they really think, and unlike you I don't dismiss their thoughts and views because it doesn't agree with my preconceptions.'

Good, then you will be able to learn about "rooftop wind turbines" and next time you knock on teh door in a working class area or a UKIP/Tory middle class area as well, just make a joke about Cameron, Tory modernisers and wind turbines and it is near to certain, you'll get their vote for teh po-faced progressives of New Labour.

'Well according to you, voters care a hell of a lot about image, as they only voted for Farage because of his alleged man of hte people persona.'

Voters couldn't care less about image, they laugh at politically correct Labour who insist on a balance of one woman and one man as Leader and Deputy Leader. That is why Labour are a progressive joke, a patronising joke that voters don't take seriously. Corbyn is the antithesis of Blair and teh antithesis of Brown's colour coordinated suits and ties and underpants chosen for him by a teenager from Oxbridge. Corbyn has ni image, he doesn't need one because he is real and is not trying to pull the wool like the Oxbridge class do. Farage has no image, it is for real and 4 million people can see that and respect that and respond to that as it is so rare to find authenticity and principle and conviction in a sea of Oxbridge spinners with PPEs.

'The Daily Mail tells me house prices, immigration & benefit fraud feature highly on the list of people's concerns. Do you disagree?'

Of course I disagree. i love the Daily Mail because it stands up for the people. It says all the stuff you don't like and that Blair doesn't like and that the entire Oxbridge political class don't like. It is on our side - against their Liverpool Care Pathway, against their patronising spin, against their political correctness, against their curtailment of civil liberties with their DNA databases and biometric ID cards, against their waste of our taxpayer money to curry favour by giving it to Clinton charidees or to waste on foreign aid that often goes back in the pockets of their mates and bigwigs who draw hundreds of thousands of salary, against their "rooftop wind turbines", against their "metropolitan" obessions that no one outside of the Westminster bubble gives two hoots about. The Daily Mail mocks them, laughs at them, Quentin Letts takes the mickey out of them as does Littlejohn. Hitchens blasts Cameron, the modernisers and the phoney Tories. The Daily Mail is the people's paper which is why it sells so many copies. The entire political class hates the Daily Mail (including the Tory modernisers) because only the Daily Mail can stop the metropolitan elite's Liverpool Care Pathway and no other paper can.

The metropolitan elite class hate Farage, they hate the Daily Mail and they dislike Corbyn, all because those three are with the people against the elites.

What people tell you on the doorstep is not enough to really understand what they are thinking because people self-censor or tell you what they can easily articulate or what they feel will stick two fingers up to the political class. You cannot break down what people really feel in simple sentences. u have to understand the hidden mood that everybody feels and shares and that most of us are incapable of articulating.

It is in jokes and laughter and mockery that you can glimpse what they are really thinking, that is why you have to share a laugh on the doorstep, share a common ode of thinking, make a real connection.

Lucy Poweel was very good and she received lost of unwarranted criticism She understood that Labour had to change the story and move away from an immigration debate because it is one that Labour would always lose because no one believes a word an Oxbridge politician says about it. But she was even smarter to realise that people mentioning immigration was greatly a catchall for teh deeper issues and discontents that cannot be easily expressed, it was an "up yours" to the political class because everybody knows the Labour poiiticians panic when they hear the word.

Chuka Umunna is the type of moderniser that most of the public will not be convinced by but whom the Balirites and the Establishment rave about. In my opinion, he is wrong about most things, which is why the Establishment like him so much.

But here is one place where he has got it right.

"Our politics has often not seemed equal to the challenge, and Ukip has become the lightning rod for people's fury. But posing in the pub with pint in hand and smoking cigarettes for the cameras does not mean you have the answers to the challenges a completely changed world presents to Britain."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/30/labour-immigration-ukip-farage

The public are fuming, they have put up with the Oxbridge class for years and the unions are fuming, they have put up with the Blairite "virus" for years. Everyone is sticking two fingers up and everyone is waiting for the politician who can understand the people and offer solutions to problems that cannot be articulated byt which everybody (Labour, UKIP and Tory) share.

At the moment people are still rebelling, they don't expect solutions, but they are waiting to see if anyone can provide them. Will it be farage? Is he capable of reading the mood? Will it be Corbyn? Can he do it? Everybody is hoping and eveybody knows it is not Blair, Umunna, the PPEs and teh modernisers.

Whoever can articulate it, whoever can laugh with the people at the jokes the people find funny, is the one who wil win.

The reason I nit pick about roof top turbines is that I have never seen anyone bothered by them on the doorstep - ever! Immigration, yes. Benefits, yes. Bin collections, yes. Generalised global warming gripes, yes.

It's just so odd.

You don't win elections by promising to cut spendiing and closing libraries. That is not why people voted Tory, and no one believes a thing Blair promises or promised. The man is a spinner, he would promise the moon if a spin doctor told him too. People are not naive enough to believe teh promises of modernisers such as "the end of boom or bust" or Cameron's promise to cut immigration to the tens of thousands. No one believes the modernisers. What is different with Corbyn is we all believe him (even UKIP and Tory voters). we think he may just have teh guts to pull it off and that is why Corbyn could win and that is why the Establishment has called on every spinner, every PPE and every progressive they can find to lecture Labour party members to try and stop Corbyn just as they tried to stop Farage. Those spinners work for the Establishment, not for the people, and when the Establishment says jump, a moderniser says "how high?"

So if no one believed Cameron, why did he win?

No one believed them. It was PPEs tacking to the right, Oxbridge Miliband. It is a joke. No one trusts a word they say. That is teh difference with Farage and Corbyn, they are outside the system, their supporters are branded "morons" and "fruitcakes" by servants of the system and that is why the people trust them and don't trust the system and its servants.

The vast majority of the "people" did not trust Farage as he lost his seat and his party did not gain any seats at all. I don't want Labour to be down to one seat next election, thanks.

Of course they are right and of course it is a concern but they are not stupid, they know the Establishment and its servants will never listen to them, so they vote for Farage knowing he can't change things yet, but they don't care, they still register a protest and a similar thing is happening with Corbyn, unions are calling Blairism "a virus", we are in the midst of a popular revolt against the servants of the system. But in reality, there are even more important issues to the people than immigration and it is only Corbyn that is likely to have the courage to address those. Farage can't do that, because he comes froma different mindset, a Tory mindset. It will take the next generation of UKIP to be able to offer what Corbyn can offer now.

So you've changed you're mind then - Farage's stance on immigration is an important reason why he won votes off Labour? I thought he was the answer to all our ills?

Good, then you will be able to learn about "rooftop wind turbines" and next time you knock on teh door in a working class area or a UKIP/Tory middle class area as well, just make a joke about Cameron, Tory modernisers and wind turbines and it is near to certain, you'll get their vote for teh po-faced progressives of New Labour.

Are you implying that all working class voters hate rooftop turbines and I should expect to find a common connection with them by laughing about them? Have you ever actually canvassed??

Voters couldn't care less about image, they laugh at politically correct Labour who insist on a balance of one woman and one man as Leader and Deputy Leader. That is why Labour are a progressive joke, a patronising joke that voters don't take seriously. Corbyn is the antithesis of Blair and teh antithesis of Brown's colour coordinated suits and ties and underpants chosen for him by a teenager from Oxbridge. Corbyn has ni image, he doesn't need one because he is real and is not trying to pull the wool like the Oxbridge class do. Farage has no image, it is for real and 4 million people can see that and respect that and respond to that as it is so rare to find authenticity and principle and conviction in a sea of Oxbridge spinners with PPEs.

You're contradicting yourself.

1. Either people vote for Farage because he appears to be anti-establishment, not because of his policies...

or

2. People care a lot about policies and vote according to these + leader's perceived personality

If Blair is so shit, why did he win 3 elections, two of them landslides?

Of course I disagree. i love the Daily Mail because it stands up for the people. It says all the stuff you don't like and that Blair doesn't like and that the entire Oxbridge political class don't like. It is on our side - against their Liverpool Care Pathway, against their patronising spin, against their political correctness, against their curtailment of civil liberties with their DNA databases and biometric ID cards, against their waste of our taxpayer money to curry favour by giving it to Clinton charidees or to waste on foreign aid that often goes back in the pockets of their mates and bigwigs who draw hundreds of thousands of salary, against their "rooftop wind turbines", against their "metropolitan" obessions that no one outside of the Westminster bubble gives two hoots about. The Daily Mail mocks them, laughs at them, Quentin Letts takes the mickey out of them as does Littlejohn. Hitchens blasts Cameron, the modernisers and the phoney Tories. The Daily Mail is the people's paper which is why it sells so many copies. The entire political class hates the Daily Mail (including the Tory modernisers) because only the Daily Mail can stop the metropolitan elite's Liverpool Care Pathway and no other paper can.

Yes, it cares very much about immigration, benefits, asylum seekers and house prices. That reflects what I've seen on the doorstep - that's why UKIP won votes, because UKIP has focussed relentlessly on immigration, benefits and passing on huge unearnt wealth to your kids.

*What people tell you on the doorstep is not enough to really understand what they are thinking because people self-censor or tell you what they can easily articulate or what they feel will stick two fingers up to the political class. You cannot break down what people really feel in simple sentences. u have to understand the hidden mood that everybody feels and shares and that most of us are incapable of articulating.

It is in jokes and laughter and mockery that you can glimpse what they are really thinking, that is why you have to share a laugh on the doorstep, share a common ode of thinking, make a real connection.*

Interesting claig. How have you identified this "hidden mood"?

'The reason I nit pick about roof top turbines is that I have never seen anyone bothered by them on the doorstep - ever!'

Did you ask them? Did you mention it? Did you mock Cameron? Try it, believe me, it will transform Labour prospects.

'Generalised global warming gripes, yes.'

But only Oxbridge types argue the details of the carbonisation of the oceans and IPPC's doom-laden messages about ice cap depletion. The people don't believe it but they can't be bothered to argue it, but when it gets to the level of the Ministry of Silly Walks and a rooftop wind turbine on a ministerial car, then they will laugh and think that the ministry of Silly Walks contains Silly Idiots who are out of touch and once they think that they will laugh at Blair and then all of his grandiloquent speeches with the coached hand gestures and the elocution lesson mockney will fall flat. Then the moderniser will be as the Emperor with no clothes and then the entire population will laugh at the moderniser and then the moderniser will lose the people.

If the people start laughing at the modernisers, then the people won't take them seriously and then they will lose because Blairism is a facade and can only win if people collude in taking the spin seriously.

No, because if something never comes up spontaneously, generally it's not an issue that's keeping them awake at night and driving their voting decisions.

Are you seriously saying people are more concerned about rooftop wind turbines than the bedroom tax? The bedroom tax has been an effective tool to highlight our differences from the conservatives. Wind turbines are definitely not.

Again, Cameron & Blair are both electorally successful.

They are what people want.

I know that makes you sad, and you desperately want Farage and Corbyn (two extremely different characters, bonded by a love of Putin) to triumph, but 1 seat does not a political earthquake make. Farage is an electoral failure. I don't want Labour to become even more of one under Corbyn.

'So if no one believed Cameron, why did he win?'

Because they thought he was the best of a bad bunch, better than the pointless pontificating posturing pretentious politically correct Labour politicians.

'The vast majority of the "people" did not trust Farage'

UKIP got 4 million votes, I think Labour only got 8 million. UKIP is a newcomer, branded "fruitcakes" by every PPE, progressive and politician in the land. Give it time and UKIP will win more seats. It is only our unrepresntative electoral voting system that has denied 4 million people adequate representation.

'Are you implying that all working class voters hate rooftop turbines and I should expect to find a common connection with them by laughing about them? Have you ever actually canvassed??'

No, not all of them. Some of them think like you, but my guess is that the majority of them think like me and that I am nore in touch than Burnham, Blair and the rest of them. No I have never canvassed - too boring, have better things to do with my time than work for a parachuted in Oxbridge graduate who will do what the whips say if they get in.

'Farage's stance on immigration is an important reason why he won votes off Labour? I thought he was the answer to all our ills?'

Not to all our ills, he can't make us win Eurovision, but he will give it his best shot, that's for sure. Farage speaks common sense that is why people vote for him, and in a time of recession and high unemployment, allowing the potential arrival of millions of EU citizens to work here will harm the job prospects of the unemployed.

'You're contradicting yourself.

1. Either people vote for Farage because he appears to be anti-establishment, not because of his policies... '

I beg your very pardon, I never contradict myself unless I explicitly wish to confound a progressive and a moderniser. Farage's policies are common sense so by definition they are anti-establishment and pro the people. That's not contradiction, that's common sense

'If Blair is so shit, why did he win 3 elections, two of them landslides?'

Because the powers that be wanted to take the country to war and Blair went to war and the press repaid him by boosting him up and making Hague seem like an idiot etc. Hs first election, in his "Bambi" stage, was a landslide because Tories like me voted for change because we couldn't take any more Tory sleaze after 18 years of the PPEs.

'How have you identified this "hidden mood"?'

I thought I had made that obvious. I am a student of the Daily Mail. If you really want to help Labour, then study and learn from the Daily Mail, don't waste your time with Toynbee because she doesn't influence the masses.

'Again, Cameron & Blair are both electorally successful.

They are what people want.'

Do me a favour. Blair was so frightened by the low turnouts and lack of legitimacy in the percentage who voted Labour that some of his most progressive socialists put forward the idea that our free populace should be forced to vote in elections that were mandatory.

Our bankrupt electoral system has given the Tories victory with something like 25% of the potential vote and has given 1 seat for 4 million voters.

'Are you seriously saying people are more concerned about rooftop wind turbines than the bedroom tax?'

Of course not, but all the bedroom tax protests came to nothing because Cameron still won. The best way to beat Cameron and the Tories is to make the people think they are out of touch idiots who are to be laughed at and mocked, not by arguing facts and figures and shillings and pence and cost savings with them toe to toe.

'The best way to beat Cameron and the Tories is to make the people think they are out of touch idiots who are to be laughed at and mocked'

The Sun knew it which is why they ran the picture of Ed Miliband and his battle with a bacon sandwich.

Once peoplethink a leader or a party is an out of touch idiot, a PPE from Oxford with a plethora of phoney platitudes and without an ounce of common sense, then the people will vote for the person most like them, someone with a bit of sense and savvy.

The key thing in elections is a mindset, a sense that someone is in touch and competent and trustworthy. If they put a roftop wind turbine on their house, then y definition, they have just gone against alk those things in one stroke. It is not a tick box list of policies, because no one believes the Five Point Plans and the manifestos any more.

If this isn't Monty Python proportion incompetence and hoist by his own petard, what is?

"You blew it, Dave: Cameron's wind turbine in the wrong spot

David Cameron might have to dismantle the roof-top wind turbine on his home because it has been put up in the wrong place.

The windmill has breached the original planning application and despite being up for less than a week could have to be taken down again.
...
Mr Cameron’s spokesman said: "There is some kind of problem and we are still talking with the council. He’s not going to flout planning laws

and it may have to come down for a short while. It’s possible that the chimney stack isn’t strong enough."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-444275/You-blew-Dave-Camerons-wind-turbine-wrong-spot.html

Read more about it in the Daily Mail. they know their readers like to laugh at the modernisers and they know a "rooftop wind turbine" is just what the doctor ordered.

Fundamentally, people want their politicians to be in touch, like them, have common sense, not to be an idiot, and to be trustworthy. That is why 4 milion voted for Farage.

For anyone who is up for a laugh, the Mail has got lots of stories on Cameron's equivalent of Ed Miliband's bacon sandwich.

"Green Cameron's wind turbine that will take 40 years to pay for itself

Tory leader David Cameron's rooftop wind generator has been hailed as the very symbol of his green credentials.

Some of his neighbours, on the other hand, have branded it an 'eyesore', bolted - as it will be - on to a Victorian house in a conservation area.

Last night councillors approved the controversial plan for a three-year trial period, along with a £150,000 environmental makeover of his £1million new home in West London.

But one question remained unanswered - will it actually save enough energy to make it worthwhile?

Here the Mail carries out an environmental 'audit' on the turbine, to assess its economic and environmental feasibility.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-395311/Green-Camerons-wind-turbine-40-years-pay-itself.html

"£150,000 environmental makeover"

That is serious money and yet a while later he was said to have been saying "we've gotta cut the green crap".

If Farage hears about this, he will win the next election on the back of it.

Alyosha-

'Red Team' supporters (and I am presupposing that you're one of them, the way you're hating on Corbyn) still don't understand that the public at large don't care about the Labour party per se.

There is no point in voting in having a Labour party in power if they're going to enact the same policies as the Tory party. Liz Kendall, for example, may as well be in the Tory party - I haven't heard her contradict a single Tory policy.

Voters aren't concerned about the Blue Team staying in power when the Red Team will act the same as the Blue Team. Do you not understand this?

Many people are thinking that they have nothing to lose by supporting Corbyn; if there are going to be two identical right-wing parties from which to choose, you might as well vote on principle.

This will have the added benefit of opening up conversation to policies which are beneficial to the public and possibly shift the debate to the left.

Blairite 'triangulation' has left the Labour party exactly in the centre of nowhere- left of the psychopath party, too right wing for liberals and the left.

There are simply not enough votes for a Tory party light - and not such a party is not worth voting for in any case.

I completely disagree with you.

Liz Kendall's policies are not identical to the conservatives - she supports trade union's rights, attacked the conservatives' plans to prevent trade unions striking, supports an ACTUAL living wage, not the Tory con (and has attacked the conservatives plans) etc.

Do you think the Blair govt. was any better than our current government?

When is the last time the Labour party won on a left wing platform?

The history of the Labour party in the 80s shows that when we become a purist left wing party we haemmorrage votes..

Did Michael Foot succeed in moderating Maggie Thatcher??! What is this bizarre idea that we can accomplish more permanently out of power than in power?

If you're more comfortable in opposition than having to make hard decisions and compromises in power, fine. I am not going to apologise for wanting Labour to be a party of political power and change rather than a left wing pressure group that exists to make people feel good about support pure left wing policies with no chance of ever winning & putting those policies into practice.