Labour "ruling elite" "worried sick" about Jeremy Corbyn says Len McCluskey

[claig]

"Unite's Len McCluskey said "an enormous surge" of people wanted to take part after Mr Corbyn was confirmed as running "because people are inspired".

Mr McCluskey accused the "ruling elite" of "trying to rubbish" Mr Corbyn.
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He said that those who thought Mr Corbyn was "marginalised" should "watch this space".

"I know the people who will be uncomfortable, despite the fact that they are saying the opposite - and that's the ruling elite," he said.

"They try and rubbish it, they try to turn it into a joke, but secretly they will be worried sick that ordinary people are suddenly given something to inspire them and something to link onto," Mr McCluskey said."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33504201

Good luck Jeremy Corbyn. Real democracy that ruins the plans of Labour's "ruling elite".

Nigel farage has transformed British politics, he has shaken the metropolitan elite to its core. It is irrelevant if he never gets elected, he has changed the country. COrbyn has also changed British politics. It is irrelevant if he doesn't win the leadership race. The modernsers will never be the same again.

Peter Oborne on Farage

"Every so often, Britain is shaken by a new political force that articulates a sense of frustration at the old structures, or a yearning for something new. Sometimes these movements – like the Labour Party at the start of the 20th century – turn into a momentous presence that permanently transforms the national landscape. More usually they wither and fade.
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But this energy was invisible to the metropolitan elite. When Ukip gained its first major breakthrough, scoring 16 per cent of the national vote in the 2004 European elections, the BBC literally wrote it out of the script. Its election graphs recorded the Ukip vote as “other”, even though it had won more votes than the Liberal Democrats and not that many fewer than Labour."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10015370/Ukip-has-thrown-British-politics-into-the-most-marvellous-chaos.html

They had try and hide the truth, bury their heads in the sand, but things have changed forever. Corbyn has shown the holllowness at the heart of Labour and Blairism. People have been waiting for someone to stand up and be counted and now even Unison has backed Corbyn. People are exhilarated, they actually believe they can break free from the dead hand and dead heart of Blairism and the metropolitan elite, and UKIP voters know that rooftopm wind turbines will be the next thing to go down the pan along with Blairism and the rest of the spin.

treating all large businesses as the enemy
I dont think I am, I'm just saying that they need to be regulated.

Rooftop wind turbines is the metropolitan elite's equivalent of Marie Antionette's "let them eat cake". That is why such an inconsequential hing is so sognificant, it emphasises how out of touch and past their sell-by-date they are.

suzanneyeswecan .... "I'm just saying that they need to be regulated."

Lets assume for one moment that big businesses, with global operations, within a highly competitive market place, would HAVE to stay in a country like the UK - even if Big State regulations were implemented in this State - what do you have that is different to now, you'd like to see enforced?

Isitmebut, I can see that multinational companies are problematic because different countries have different rules and regulations...is that what you are getting at?

claig ... I have shown you on this thread, all Farage has done with a populist, nationalist platform, is the same as similar politicians in nearly every other country in Europe since the 2008 recession started - and those even more troublesome in the 20th century.

There will be no need for a United Kingdom Independence Party if the UK votes 'IN' as every inflamatory/rousing speech of Farage to date, gaining votes, was on the EU subject the UK could accept in full via a Referendum within the next year or so.

It might take until 2025, but UKIP will become a bad memory, like the BNP.

'It might take until 2025, but UKIP will become a bad memory'

It won't because you fail to understand what is really taking place, the revolt of the people against the metropolitan elites. Now they are all denying they have anything to do with the metropolitan elite. That is only the beginning of the collapse of the entire game, popular policies by popular politicians is what will one day come. The old guard, the old system, the old elite are withering on the vine. Blair was the last roar of the ancien regime, the dinosaur bellowing "modernise or die" was laughed off stage and totally ignored. Corbyn will trounce the modernisers because the people are with him and not with them.

suzanneyeswecan .... yes I am, and the fact that I think around 60% of our largest UK named companies in the FTSE 100 are owned by foreign owners, as we own many foreign companies listed on their stock exchanges, we'd be firing regulations at a moving target.

This global tax evasion thing is being addressed, where companies shift earning to pay less taxes, via a recent OECD initiative we and every country has signed up to, to offer full disclosure/transparency on these companies affairs so countries can go after every bit of tax owed to them.

And we are already making progress, based on results for the previous tax year.

May 2014: “HMRC crackdown yields record £23.9bn in additional tax”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27576626

”The government has raised a record £23.9bn in additional tax for the year to the end of March as a result of a crackdown on tax avoidance.”

”HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) said it had secured the money - the highest amount since records began - as a result of its investigations.”

”The figure is almost £1bn higher than the target set by Chancellor George Osborne in the Autumn Statement.”

”The extra money raised is in addition to regular tax receipts.”

”HMRC credited "increased activity" on unpaid tax for the figure.”

"HMRC will pursue those seeking to avoid their responsibilities and will collect the taxes that are due," said Treasury minister David Gauke.”

"The government is determined to tackle the minority that seek to avoid paying the taxes they owe," he added.”

One of our best political commentators, the excellent left wing John Harris in the Guardian

Around once a year now, something bubbles to the surface that shows how broken mainstream politics has become. Sometimes these things endure; often they fizzle out. But from the brief season of Cleggmania, through the on-off rise of Ukip and the so-called “green surge”, to the great political reformation in Scotland, Britain is experiencing its own version of the tumult that has broken out all over Europe. A politics built around fortysomething career politicians and three parties that fixate on an illusory centre ground is in increasing trouble.
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There is a poetic justice about this. As Corbyn rises, Andy Burnham is suddenly styling himself as the faux-radical saviour of a party “scared of its own shadow”. But do not forget how the latter’s campaign for the Labour leadership began: with a speech at the City offices of a corporation associated with huge tax avoidance, which parroted grim lines about how businesses such as these deserved “wholehearted support”, quickly followed by a claim that when talking about benefits, Labour had to be careful not to speak for people who want “something for nothing”.
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In some ways, though, he is more like his fellow contenders than his supporters would like to admit. He apparently has nothing to say about the huge social and economic factors that underlie Labour’s decline as an electoral force, suggesting instead that the solutions to its travails lie with the magic bullet of being “anti-austerity”, this or that policy, and the old foundations of its support – the unions, chiefly – being magically revived. There is something unavoidably depressing about the fact that the supposed radical in the contest apparently has nothing to say about changing the voting system. Beyond a vague insistence that Labour has to somehow turn itself into a “social movement” he does not talk about working with other parties, nor how a force as damaged and discredited as Labour could bond with other groups. Frequently, in fact, one gets the sense that his aim is to simply pull the same old levers – but in a leftwing way.
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Whoever ends up being the leader of the beleaguered Labour party is not going to be decided by disgraced former prime ministers, newspaper columnists, or the rightwing forces who seem surprisingly rattled by someone they habitually claim would be an electoral disaster. Tens of thousands of people get to decide – and in times as irreverent and unpredictable as these, that means everything: literally, everything."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/30/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-clarity-under-30s-human-factors

He doesn't say it, but what we are seeing is populism, the rise of the people against the elites who serve te Establishment rather than the people. It is a strong wind that will blow the spinners from their preches and change Britain forever. Whether you are in the real People's Army, or the Junior People's Army, get ready for a ride that will change the country and wipe the smile off the smug faces of the Blairites.

Ask the metropolitan elite? That is what us UKIP supporters want to know. But of course we already know the answer, we are wise to their games.

I've never heard anyone in Labour spend so much time obsessing over such a tiny and insignificant issue. It's bizarre - people in this country desperately need a Labour government to help lift the poorest out of poverty and stop the scourge of food banks, yet all you seem concerned about bloody wind turbines & whether or not politicians did PPE at University.

That membership is active and dedicated. Just because the rest of us don't join parties, don't assume we don't agree with active members. Finally the Labour active members have rebelled against their Oxbridge rulers and have joined the people who were always anti the metropolitan elite.

I know claig, I spent most weekends door knocking for Miliband (lefter than I am) in the election, if Corbyn is elected I will probably do the same thing. But I know that we will have a far harder time getting Corbyn elected than we will getting Yvette/Kendall/Burnham elected, so that makes me sad, as the point of a political party is to win elections.

UKIP's influence has delivered two main parties competing against each other to be tough than though on immigration, something which Corbyn definitely opposes. Oh, and an EU referendum.

In any case, whatever influence a party has on the discourse it certainly has far far less influence than actually being in party.

How do you square Farage's anti-immigration, little Britain rhetoric with a Corbyn that thinks immigration is great?

jeremycorbyn.org.uk/articles/m-star-the-poisoned-debate-on-immigration/

Anti-immigration rhetoric won Ukip votes in the North...

'I've never heard anyone in Labour spend so much time obsessing over such a tiny and insignificant issue.'

I'm not in Labour. I support UKIP and I use the insignificant items as a laugh to highlight their divide in values from UKIP voters and Conservative voters, but I have a hundred other reasons why I don't like Blair and the modernisers too. And I don't think the PPE is insignificant as I think that is the passport to open the door that the Establishment wants. I prefer COrbyn to the PPEs.

'I spent most weekends door knocking for Miliband (lefter than I am) in the election'

Did you not meet any UKIP voters, did you not have your ear to thr ground and learn what people think without saying it? Don't you realise that Blairism is a facade that is about to crumble and that Corbyn backers are only following the same nationwide trend as UKIP supporters? The centre is crumbling, if you want to stay there, you'll be next to Blair as the ground collapses around you.

'How do you square Farage's anti-immigration, little Britain rhetoric with a Corbyn that thinks immigration is great?'

Farage is not little Britain and I agree more with Farage than with Corbyn. But I don't agree with everything Farage says and on some issues I prefer Corbyn, but not as many. I will make my final choice based on what I think the most important issues are and who has the best policies on those.

'But I know that we will have a far harder time getting Corbyn elected than we will getting Yvette/Kendall/Burnham elected'

That is wrong. I vote UKIP, but I might vote Corbyn but would never vote for the rest of them. Nationalisation of railways and banks and much else, a National Education Service, higher taxes for the rich but not the middle class will appeal to millions of UKIP and Tory voters. You are Labour and don't understand how UKIP and Tory voters think. I understand it because I am one.

'the rise of the people against the elites who serve the Establishment rather than the people.
It is a strong wind that will blow the spinners from their perches and change Britain forever.
Whether you are in the real People's Army, or the Junior People's Army, get ready for a ride that will change the country and wipe the smile off the smug faces of the Blairites'

Bravo Claig
absolutely rousing speech

I hope you're right :o

claig knows "how Tory voters think." Guffaw

'There is something unavoidably depressing about the fact that the supposed radical in the contest apparently has nothing to say about changing the voting system. Beyond a vague insistence that Labour has to somehow turn itself into a “social movement” he does not talk about working with other parties, nor how a force as damaged and discredited as Labour could bond with other groups. Frequently, in fact, one gets the sense that his aim is to simply pull the same old levers – but in a leftwing way.'

I agree with John Harris's very perceptive quote above. Corbyn is not the answer to everything as he is a prisoner of the same old politically correct thought, even though it is anti the modernisers, but Corbyn is a start and a move in the right direction.

I think it will Tom Watson who eventually leads Labour back to electoral success. Farage has still got them beat for now because he speaks more common sense that will appeal to the UKIP and Tory voters, but Farage's failing will be that he is not bold enough to renationalise and really change things as he is locked into a Tory past and that is where Labour can succeed - by bold ideas even if they lack good old common sense and have a Cameroonian rooftop wind turbine on their house.

'claig knows "how Tory voters think." Guffaw'

I even know how you think - like a moderniser, a champion of Cameron and different to most of the Tory voters in the land.

claig ... me "a modernizer"...you have used that 1,000 times and I still don't know what you mean, as it assumes no political party ever has to change,

It assumes that UKIP full of Tory rejects is either the same 'establishment elite' as before, or your attraction is that they have 'modernized' from Tory values either further than the voter grunts like me.

Frankly I think the way you use little labels is a smokescreen; politically you are all over the shop and clearly don't know whether to have a shit or a haircut.

'me "a modernizer"...you have used that 1,000 times and I still don't know what you mean,'

It means many different things (rooftop wind turbines being just one) but in your case it means something that starts with d, contains a k and rhymes with Red Ed.

'politically you are all over the shop'

I'm only in tune with the people, with Corbyn against the modernisers, with Farage against the metropolitan elites.

"Cameroonian rooftop wind turbine on their house."

claig .. if that is one of your key evaluations of a politician/leader, you can hardly say you are objective and so completely blows out of the water any opinions you have on the alternatives, who have never run a ministry, never mind higher office - so clearly you go for style over substance - and we really don't need to offer 'work experience' to those all ideologically mouth and trousers.

I'm not in Labour. I support UKIP and I use the insignificant items as a laugh to highlight their divide in values from UKIP voters and Conservative voters, but I have a hundred other reasons why I don't like Blair and the modernisers too. And I don't think the PPE is insignificant as I think that is the passport to open the door that the Establishment wants. I prefer COrbyn to the PPEs.

Can you please point out where rooftop turbines were ever an electoral priority for Labour in 2010/2015?! The only one talking about them now is you... Corbyn is perfectly at home with the establishment, having been a councillor for 10 years and an MP since 1983 for one of the boroughs you slate for being full of "metropolitan elites".

Did you not meet any UKIP voters, did you not have your ear to thr ground and learn what people think without saying it? Don't you realise that Blairism is a facade that is about to crumble and that Corbyn backers are only following the same nationwide trend as UKIP supporters? The centre is crumbling, if you want to stay there, you'll be next to Blair as the ground collapses around you.

Err no claig. Funnily enough the contents of your imagination sometimes bear little relation to reality. I met many UKIP voters, who didn't like Labour because they thought we weren't tough enough on:

Crime
Migrants
Benefit cheats

Jeremy Corbyn certainly will not win over those voters!

And even if he did, we need more than just UKIP voters (many of which came from Labour) - we need to win in conservative areas.

That is wrong. I vote UKIP, but I might vote Corbyn but would never vote for the rest of them. Nationalisation of railways and banks and much else, a National Education Service, higher taxes for the rich but not the middle class will appeal to millions of UKIP and Tory voters. You are Labour and don't understand how UKIP and Tory voters think. I understand it because I am one.

I hope you realise you don't have the deciding vote in UK elections.

'if that is one of your key evaluations of a politician/leader'

It certainly is one of my key evaluations because above all I am against spin. I'm UKIP and an old school Tory just like millions of others which is why Cameron's Oxbridge advisers, interns, teenagers from think tanks and SPADs told him to start going around Westminster corridors shouting "we've gotta cut the green crap".

He had a rooftop wind turbine but some wiser heads from Oxbridge told him to "cut the green crap" because it ain't fooling real Tories and UKIP voters as opposed to modernisers like you.

What is wrong with a rooftop wind turbine? They're terribly inefficient in urban areas but I don't understand what traumatic experience has led you to this very odd phobia.

'Can you please point out where rooftop turbines were ever an electoral priority for Labour in 2010/2015?'

Are you sure you are in politics. Where have you been? Don't you understand the Tory and UKIP voting public (I don't mean modernisers like Isitmebut). It is no use reading te New Statesman if you want to help Labour, you need to read the Daily Mail to see how we the other side think. Rooftop wind turbines is a laugh, Cameron had one, along with his bicycle and his chauufeeur driven car behind him carrying his lunchbox, along with his hug-a-hoodie and a husky. It is indicative of everything that is wrong with the modernisers, the wonks, the SPADs, the cads, the Westminster bubble and their spin and emphasises their divorce from the issues that affect the people, it emphasises how out of touch with ordinary people the metropolitan elite are.

Blair's mindset from Oxbridge is the same as Cameron's from Oxbridge, they're all modernisers, they're all for austerity, they're all for rooftop wind turbines and hugging hoodies, they're all out of touch. That is why Farage takes the mickey out of them and that is why we laugh.

'I met many UKIP voters, who didn't like Labour because they thought we weren't tough enough on:'

But I am explaining that it goes far deeper than that and that if Miliband says he would do that, they still wouldn't vote for him. People don't say everything they think, you have to understand the mood and read the trend.

John Retoul, the great and the good and the modernisers never saw Corbyn's success coming. It is no surprise to me because at a deeper level it is exactly the same as the reason that Farage rose to succeess. It s the people against the elites, against the soin, against the arrogance, against the lies. Now they are arrogantly talking about a coup to topple Corbyn if he wins, but that will just damage them evern further in ordinary people's eyes. They have contempt for the truth, contempt for democracy and contempt for the people. That is why we will eventually beat them and they are bound to lose.

'Jeremy Corbyn certainly will not win over those voters!'

He will win them over because there are issues that they will care about even more than those and Corbyn will be the only politician brave enough to tackle them. They will still care about immigration but it will recede in their list of priorities.

'And even if he did, we need more than just UKIP voters (many of which came from Labour) - we need to win in conservative areas.'

But don't you realise that most UKIP voters have a COnservative mindset ( a real one not a Cameronian rooftop win turbine one) and they have already abandoned the Tory modernisers and may go on to Corbyn, but would never go to the Labour modernisers.

'I hope you realise you don't have the deciding vote in UK elections.'

Unfortunately not, but I am in touch with the mood of the people.

'What is wrong with a rooftop wind turbine? They're terribly inefficient in urban areas but I don't understand what traumatic experience has led you to this very odd phobia.'

I am laughing at it, sticking two fingers up to the spin. I'm UKIP, get with the programme.