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Labour "ruling elite" "worried sick" about Jeremy Corbyn says Len McCluskey

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claig · 14/07/2015 07:43

"Unite's Len McCluskey said "an enormous surge" of people wanted to take part after Mr Corbyn was confirmed as running "because people are inspired".

Mr McCluskey accused the "ruling elite" of "trying to rubbish" Mr Corbyn.
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He said that those who thought Mr Corbyn was "marginalised" should "watch this space".

"I know the people who will be uncomfortable, despite the fact that they are saying the opposite - and that's the ruling elite," he said.

"They try and rubbish it, they try to turn it into a joke, but secretly they will be worried sick that ordinary people are suddenly given something to inspire them and something to link onto," Mr McCluskey said."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33504201

Good luck Jeremy Corbyn. Real democracy that ruins the plans of Labour's "ruling elite".

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Isitmebut · 29/07/2015 15:18

Claig .. you really can't be 'bigging up' both far left Corbyn and far right Farage as the new Messiahs, its feckwittery, especially based on their half-arsed populists theories that have never run anything, except bath water.

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sunshield · 29/07/2015 15:21

I find it quite unbelievable how many posts on this and other threads support Jeremy Corbyn's romantic idea of a cradle to grave society !.

This is so out of touch with reality . These views displayed by the ' middle class' and university educated who inhabit this site could not be further from where the true views of the majority lie.

Jeremy Corbyn as leader of Labour party 2020 election, would ensure that Labour would suffer their greatest ever meltdown easily out stripping the 1983 ' suicide manifesto ' result.

The outcome would be that Labour would be left with as little as 170 seats and be totally concentrated in their 'homeland' seats of the North East, Liverpool and parts of South Wales but extinct everywhere else.

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claig · 29/07/2015 15:22

'you really can't be 'bigging up' both far left Corbyn and far right Farage as the new Messiahs'

I'm just with the people, in touch with the mood of the people.

John Rentoul, Blairite biographer of Blair, never saw it coming. I saw it coming and I predict much more is set to come. It's the rise of the people against the metropolitan elites. That is why Burnham claims desperately to have nothing to do with the metropolitan elite. I don't blame him, he has seen the writing on the wall.

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claig · 29/07/2015 15:30

'This is so out of touch with reality '

sunshield, the elte told us UKIP was out of touch with reality. 4 million people told them where to stick it. The people make reality, the people make change, as Obama said "Yes we can".

They want you to think there is no alternative to austerity, no alternative to bank bailouts with your money, no alternative to ring-fenced foreign aid with your money, no alternative to charidee contributions with your money, no alternative to rooftop wind trubines. 4 million people told them where to stick it.

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Isitmebut · 29/07/2015 15:33

"I'm just with the people, in touch with the mood of the people."

'The people' are very fickle and open to populist mantras that promise less economic pain or new Utopias; as I've said that is not new in Europe, that gave rise to regimes in Germany, Italy, Spain in the 20th century - and its raising its head again in the 21st century.

'A grave moment for France': National Front sweeps to victory in Paris leaving Socialist government fighting for life - and in Germany a neo-Nazi is elected for first time in decades”
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638965/Massive-victory-French-far-right-National-Front-record-quarter-vote-Euro-elections.html

• FN leader Marine Le Pen heralded victory for 'sovereign people of France'
• Results so far guarantee FN around a third of France's 74 seats
• Prime Minister Manuel Valls described result as 'a shock, an earthquake'
• President Francois Hollande holds 'urgent' talks with ministers after poll
• Germany faces having first far-Right candidate in decades
• Anti-Islamic party wins more than a quarter of vote in Denmark
• Radical left and far-Right in Greece both perform well
• Beppe Grillo's Five Star movement beaten into second place in Italy

The difference in the UK is that with over twice the growth and half the unemployment rate of the Eurozone, the voters here recently decided to vote for a clear plan providing results, not some Shangri La La land of false promises from politicians and false prophets of a painless end to fall out of the great financial/economic recession - ask the citizens of Greece.

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claig · 29/07/2015 15:37

That sounds like the sort of argument Blair would make. Only problem is no-one believes him any more. They prefer Corbyn, they don't need a heart transplant, they've got heart.

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Isitmebut · 29/07/2015 15:47

"they've got heart."

Nope, they've got head-up-own-bum farts like you promising them quick fixes that don't exist.

BTW I know Corbyn's don't exist as he can't even say the word 'deficit', but what was Farage's plan for no austerity (UK annual budget deficit and National Debt reduction), as I missed that?

Actually don't bother, as you'll provide 10 quotes of other people saying Farage is an economic guru and I can't face that.

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claig · 29/07/2015 15:49

'you'll provide 10 quotes of other people saying Farage is an economic guru and I can't face that'

I'm not surprised because from your posts it is evident that you cannot face the truth.

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Alyosha · 29/07/2015 16:02

You need more than 4 million votes to win, Claig.

The other ~25 million, for a start....

Who mainly voted for Centre ground parties. Clearly showing the majority of people in this country want politicians firmly rooted in the centre ground.

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claig · 29/07/2015 16:17

Alyosha, Rome wasn't built in one day, and it will take more than one day for the people to beat the metropolitan elite. But the process has begun.

Corbyn is causing meltdown in Labour "ruling elite" circles. Farage has not gone away and will be back. The people will win. Blair will be rolled out but he will be laughed off stage.

The people have had no alternative to centre ground - it was PPE Tory and PPE Tory lite. Now we have UKIP and Corbyn. Let's see who the people choose. The modernisers never saw it coming, Corbyn's odds hve been slashed from 100-1 and Burnham is saying he has nothing whatsoever to do with the metropolitan lite. Apparently he doesn't hang out with them, he hangs out with his old school buddies and supports his local football team. There is panic in the air.

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Isitmebut · 29/07/2015 16:25

They "had" Farage in May 2015 when he was promising that the Conservatives would not hold an EU Referendum, and that UKIP with two MP's back then, would somehow get a parliamentary majority to force one.

Well one 'IN' or 'OUT' EU Referendum later, in 2020 with that decided, who's going to give a rats tail about anything Farage says or offers ????

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Alyosha · 29/07/2015 16:40

The people could have voted Green & UKIP, but the vast majority didn't.

There's a reason for that - the reason is most people are fundamentally centre-right or centre-left.

Not far right (UKIP) or far left (Green).

To look at the election result and think that the answer is to become more radical is to repeat the mistakes of the US republicans (the electorate reject them and they think they need to tack to the right, to become purer, leading to them losing again.)

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claig · 29/07/2015 16:47

'There's a reason for that - the reason is most people are fundamentally centre-right or centre-left.'

This is a fallacy. People do not belong to parties,they change and adapt with the times and the faces they are presented with. The Tories never thought they would lose 20% of their voters to UKIP. I never thought I would switch from Tory to UKIP. It happens and it is going to happen again and Tories and UKIP voters will switch to Labour if they think their policies are good enough. Tory lite doesn't cut the mustard, but Corbyn might, that isstill to be seen.

Mary Riddell in the Telegraph understands it.

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“It’s like looking at a paint colour chart,” says one senior Labour adviser. “People might not be sure if they could live with Corbyn red, but they think it’s preferable to three shades of magnolia.” If Labour is to survive, the candidates must adopt more vivid hues. But first, Labour’s centrists must realise that they, not Mr Corbyn, are the antediluvian wing of a party whose core vote has evaporated, whose ability to reforge social democracy is slight and whose vision is unremittingly myopic.

Having failed to foresee every future trend, from the rise of Ukip to the loss of Scotland, Labour has been blindsided by the Corbyn ascendancy. Whether or not he wins the leadership, Mr Corbyn is no dinosaur. For good or ill, he is a beacon of modernity in the Jurassic world of a Labour Party lost in time."

//www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11768611/Corbyns-rivals-think-hes-a-dinosaur-they-couldnt-be-more-wrong.html

Things have changed. The old guard, the Establishment Oxbridge team are saying that Corbyn and Farage aren't "credible", that they are not "realistic", but the people have moved on, they have had enough of the self-serving elite and want politicians who serve the people for a change.

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Alyosha · 29/07/2015 17:16

I never said people belonged to parties - they don't. I said they preferred centre ground parties & politicians. Whether the centre ground is occupied by Labour/Conservatives/Liberals etc. is immaterial.

Corbyn's policies are not modern. They are a throwback to Tony Benn.

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claig · 29/07/2015 17:29

'I said they preferred centre ground parties & politicians. '

Then why is Corbyn so far in the lead among actual Labour Party members and constituency organisations? People have been denied a real choice and a real opposition to the Tories by the Labour Oxbridge team - the public school lot of spinners, SPADs and cads - who have tricked ordinary working people into accepting austerity, trade union rights being dismantled and illegal wars.

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claig · 29/07/2015 17:36

'Tony Blair says he wouldn’t want a left-wing Labour party to win an election'

That is how ordinary working people have been treated and this suits the Establishment's interests. A Fettes public schoolboy with a PPE from Oxford and millions in the bank would prefer a left wing Labour party not to win an election.

"Tony Blair has said he would not want a left-wing Labour party to win a general election.

The former prime minister said that even if he thought a left-wing programme was the route to victory, he would not adopt one."

“[Labour] misunderstand the difference between radical leftism, which is often in fact quite reactionary – and radical social democracy, which is all about ensuring that values are put to work in the most effective way,” he said.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tony-blair-says-he-wouldnt-want-a-leftwing-labour-party-to-win-an-election-10406928.html

The Establishment is in meltdown. Now they are calling Corbyn a reactionary just as they called Farage it before. Everyone's a "fruitcake" apart from them, everyone needs a "heart transplant" apart from them.

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claig · 29/07/2015 19:04

"Stormin' Corbyn is on the march: Now union giant Unison backs leftwinger to be Labour leader as rivals lose ground

Unison says Corbyn's anti-austerity message has 'resonated' with workers
New poll puts him on course to win leadership, with Yvette Cooper second
Cooper warns the party must 'get serious' and not back the leftwinger

Jeremy Corbyn's extraordinary rise from obscurity to would-be Labour leader received another major boost tonight as one of Britain's biggest unions backed him to replace Ed Miliband.

Unison, which has 1.3million members, said the leftwinger's anti-austerity message had 'resonated' with public sector workers.

It comes after a fresh opinion poll put Mr Corbyn on course to win the leadership contest, with Yvette Cooper and Andy Burnham left trailing."


www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3178810/Stormin-Corbyn-march-union-giant-Unison-backs-leftwinger-Labour-leader-rivals-lose-ground.html

This shows that all the best plans of the elite, their minions and servants can crumble to dust when faced with the power of the people. PPEs are dreading the next phone call from the Establishment. Last time the Establishment made it clear to the PPEs that they were not best pleased by events when they said "we are not amused", but now they are positively fuming. What on earth are the PPEs good for if they can't stop the people?

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blacksunday · 29/07/2015 19:17

Corbyn's policies are not modern. They are a throwback to Tony Benn.

Excuse me? You think Tory policies are 'modern'? Looks to me like they're trying to take the UK back to the time of the pre-WWII consensus.

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claig · 29/07/2015 19:26

'The bookies are still betting on Burnham and they are not known for their generosity. Should I run down to Paddy Power and put a tenner on Jeremy?'

WorriedMutha, Michael Crick on Channel 4 News has just said that Ladbrokes have now made Jeremy Corbyn favourite at 6-4. Get you tenner on fast before the odds are slashed even further. I wouldn't be surprised if the Establishment themselves have now put a tenner on and have written off their PPEs as a lost cause. They're positively fuming, but they want to at least salvage a few quid out of the whole debacle.

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blacksunday · 29/07/2015 20:29

You should just give it a rest, claig.

Last week you were nuts about petit fascist, this week you're nuts about a social-democrat.

Just stop. You're confused and incoherent. Go learn about politics.

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claig · 29/07/2015 20:35

I'm nuts about Farage, no one else, but I am all for democracy and a real choice which is why I am for Corbyn. I thought Corbyn was a socialist and the Oxbridge team were social democrats, but I'm not up on the ins and outs of Labour.

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claig · 29/07/2015 20:38

I'm with Nigel

"Mr Farage said he would back Mr Corbyn saying: "At least Jeremy Corbyn's a socialist - and that's what the party's supposed to be."

I don't know what a "social democrat" is. Is it someone with a rooftop wind turbine on their house?

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claig · 29/07/2015 20:52

"Jeremy Corbyn's Labour leadership bid has a momentum even he didn't expect

Anti-austerity candidate has tapped into strong public antipathy towards slick politicians. Win or lose, he has brought excitement to the campaign"

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/29/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-campaign-momentum

Exactly the same reason as why Farage is popular.

And here is the fightback

"John McTernan: if Corbyn wins the Labour leadership, he should be deposed immediately"

blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/07/john-mcternan-on-labour-leader-who-cares-about-the-grassroots/

UKIP voters are rooting for the people in Labour to topple the whole rotten edifice of the management team that have led them to such arrogance, disrespect and betrayal of real Labour values.

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claig · 29/07/2015 21:08

'A senior Labour politician, who would be classed as mainstream but so far is not backing any of the four, attributed Corbyn’s success so far to the failure of Burnham, Cooper and Kendall to grip the imagination. “Corbyn looks relaxed because he has nothing to lose. He has not flipped: he has remained consistent. He has tapped into what people are saying and thinking. The electorate is often ahead of politicians and Corbyn is the one who has managed to catch up with them.”

UKIP voters were the first to be ahead of politicians when we left the phoneys behind us and now Labour members are joining us and leaving the phoneys behind too. The phoneys are running to catch up with the electorate, but they are miles and miles behind. They ain't gonna make it.

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claig · 29/07/2015 21:18

"Jim Thakoordin, one of the founding members of the black trade unionist solidarity movement, who was at the Luton meeting, volunteers three days a week in Bedfordshire. The 72 year old said he could pick up 100 volunteers for Corbyn in Luton alone and had signed up a further five at the meeting. He said volunteers for the other candidates were not visible on the ground."

I am not surprised. It wouldn't surprise me if the only volunteers the others have got are interns from Oxbridge on less than minimum wage who are hoping that Blair will bless them with a coached hand gesture and a smattering of mockney and advice about how to be parachuted into a safe seat.

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