Labour "ruling elite" "worried sick" about Jeremy Corbyn says Len McCluskey

[claig]

"Unite's Len McCluskey said "an enormous surge" of people wanted to take part after Mr Corbyn was confirmed as running "because people are inspired".

Mr McCluskey accused the "ruling elite" of "trying to rubbish" Mr Corbyn.
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He said that those who thought Mr Corbyn was "marginalised" should "watch this space".

"I know the people who will be uncomfortable, despite the fact that they are saying the opposite - and that's the ruling elite," he said.

"They try and rubbish it, they try to turn it into a joke, but secretly they will be worried sick that ordinary people are suddenly given something to inspire them and something to link onto," Mr McCluskey said."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33504201

Good luck Jeremy Corbyn. Real democracy that ruins the plans of Labour's "ruling elite".

Even Billy Bragg supports Corbyn

He added: "His (Corbyn's) success so far shows you how bland our politics have become, in the aim of winning those swing voters in middle England the Labour party has lost touch with its roots.

and he rightly says that Ed Miliband wasn't real left.

"He also responded to questioning on Ed Milliband's unsuccessful move 'left' for the party: "The left that Ed Miliband shifted towards I don't think is really left. He was suggesting £8 minimum wage. George Osborne has just suggested a £9 minimum wage.

"Ed Miliband is a lovely bloke but if George Osbourne can trump him on the mimimum wage - it's hardly left wing is it!?"

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/07/27/billy-backs-the-beardjeremy-corbyn-billy-bragg-supports-labour-leadership-condemns-tony-blair_n_7879344.html

Brendan O'Neill in Spiked. He is no fan of Labour and thinks it shoukdmbe put out of its misery and he is not a fan of Corbyn either.

"Jeremy Corbyn: a sinner against the Third Way

Corbynphobia reveals the terrifying conformism of modern British politics.

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"Corbyn is the new Nigel Farage, setting the chattering classes’ teeth on edge, causing handwringing everywhere from Tony Blair’s clique to Polly Toynbee’s Twitterfeed. Why? Because, like Farage, he dares not to occupy the middle ground. He has the temerity to believe in something beyond getting elected. He has principles and he isn’t very big on compromising them. And these are tantamount to crimes, or at least to recklessness, in this era of Third Way unpolitics, when to be ideological is to be suspect, and to refuse to shave off your political edges in the name of winning a seat is to be viewed as sectionable. The anti-Corbyn panic speaks to the violent shrinking of the political landscape, and to the demonisation of anyone, whether left or right, who sets one single foot outside that landscape.
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Or Thatcher’s famous line, ‘The lady’s not for turning’. Today, turning is all the rage. Caving in is the fashion, though it gets tarted up as ‘consensus politics’. Everyone’s in the middle of the road. Those foolish few who remain on the sides of the road, whether it’s Farage on the right or Corbyn on the left, are treated as bemusing creatures, aliens, uncompromising. That’s actually uttered as a dirty word: uncompromising.

The essence of Corbynphobia was summed up in a newspaper editorial which claimed his growing popularity is a ‘symptom of a bigger problem: Labour’s drift from the middle ground’.
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What gets presented to us as a soft, caring new politics of consensus is in fact an intolerant new conformism, as Farage and Corbyn have discovered. Refuse to elevate electability over all other concerns, refuse to sing from the same PC, mild-mannered, green-tinted, low-horizoned, post-politics hymn sheet as everyone else, and you’ll become an object of scorn. It never seems to strike these people that there might be more important things than getting elected, than being popular. Like staying true to yourself. Like believing in something.

www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/jeremy-corbyn-a-sinner-against-the-third-way/17231#.VblXJ63bKic

The Establishment needed the High Priest of the Third Way, that much-loved philanthropist, Anthony Charles Lynton Blair, tp preach the error of Corbyn's ways from the pulpit in front of a bunch of progressives lapping up the great man's thoughts and sermons.

ssd .... "isitmebut, seriously, do no.10 pay you well?"

Are you going for a dumb record of asking that same dumb question on every thread I post on because someone who has followed politics etc for over 40-years happens to know what the feck they are talking about???

FYI I wouldn't care if you were Sturgeon, Miliband or some other flunky, I'd be happy to debate the FACTS with anyone - especially on a board that appears to have been a Labour propaganda machine peddling ignorance and lies for so many years.

claig .... re your "Even Billy Bragg supports Corbyn" post.

Billy Bragg has always been hard left, and the fact he states that because Miliband offered a lower Minimum Wage he wasn't a real leftie just shows that he doesn't understand, big picture, what he is talking about.

Firstly using the evidence of the Labour 2015 manifesto, which unless you were low paid, there wasn't much else in it for anyone else, especially as all the company bashing policies (and taxes rising like Corporation Tax Corbyn wants) would have driven more out of work.

One day socialists will have a clue of all the numerous potential taxes, economic, product, domestic market place and input prices of their goods worries that make up the LIST of concerns of businesses, small to large, every day - yet need to plan ahead for years.

Under Labour many of these costs only seem to go up e.g. National Insurance, yet under a Conservative government they are always more business friendly.

So Miliband no doubt knowing that under his administration business taxes/costs would go up as they did in the previous 13-years of a Labour administration, rather than make spending cuts now, Miliband relying on an Independent Low Wage Commission to tell him when MW hikes were affordable - knew that he had to aim low or drive more businesses to the wall e.g. high street shops.

Osborne by rebalancing an unsustainable UK economy centred on the public sector, back to the private sector, has given a lot of help to businesses, and seeing the UK economy growing because of his measures - he then COULD be more confident than any Labour leader to deliver a higher minimum wage promise as businesses can rely on the core Conservative ideology that understands that the Private Sector PAYS THE BILLS of the public sector, not the other way around.

'"Even Billy Bragg supports Corbyn" post.

Billy Bragg has always been hard left'

I remember the days when George Galloway was cheesed off with Billy, when Billy supported Blairite Oona King against Galloway in the East End of London.

......aaaaaaaaaaand that means wot, he's Conservative?

Galloway wasn't best pleased.

'Billy Bragg under fire for backing pro-war MP'
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The singer, who quit the Labour Party over its backing of the 1991 Gulf War, played a concert to raise funds for the re-election bid of Oona King, MP for Bethnal Green and Bow.

At the general election expected in May, her 10,057 majority is being challenged by former Labour MP George Galloway, who is standing for the anti-war Respect party. Following the gig at the Spitz club in Spitalfields, Bragg received a series of derogatory emails from opponents of the war.

He admitted people had been "disappointed in him", but said opposing Labour could split the vote and let the Tories in. "We were misled over weapons of mass destruction. But there was never a Labour government that didn't disappoint me in some way," he said.'

www.standard.co.uk/news/billy-bragg-under-fire-for-backing-prowar-mp-7259055.html

'But there was never a Labour government that didn't disappoint me in some way," he said'

Does he not understand that they are Establishment, PPEs?

At least, Billy is now backing Corbyn and has abandoned the modernisers from Oxbridge.

?I think it all sounds very exciting!
Nationalising banks!
Re nationalising railways and utilities!
Imagine that! ?

Agree, suzanne, politics is starting to get exciting again. The lock on the middle ground by the metropolitan elite has been broken by Farage on the right and Corbyn on the left. One thing's for sure, a change is going to come, the same old same old is now history.

Claig ... "Does he not understand that they are Establishment, PPEs?"

There you again with the dumb mantras, why not blame politicians for not having eggs for breakfast, it will add the same factual 'quality' to the debate - a PPE noes NOT make anyone more unfit for government in a complex 21st century economy than say, an ex postman or bar steward - and once an MP, they become the establishment, if they want to get anything done for their constituency.

*I think it all sounds very exciting!
Nationalising banks!
Re nationalising railways and utilities!
Imagine that! *

Only that it would never happen as Labour will never get elected on that kind of platform

Re ....."I think it all sounds very exciting!
Nationalising banks!
Re nationalising railways and utilities!
Imagine that!"

First of all how much will that cost, then what signal would that send to every business here or those looking to locate here, and who pays for the 'investment' to grow/sustain those businesses?

Next give me one or more large UK Nationalised company success stories over the past 50-years.

Finally as the State cannot effectively run the ministries it has, why would they be better running private sector businesses, many just see as a tax source?

Farage on Corbyn

"Corbyn Under Same Establishment Attack as I Was
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The Westminster village is in a state of shock. In 2014 there was horror that UKIP led in the opinion polls in the run up to the European Elections. This led to a spiteful, vindictive anti-Farage campaign to tell the world how appalling I was and that why voting UKIP was a huge mistake.

Without doubt this assault took the top off the most optimistic poll ratings but solidified the strong base. We came first. And in 2015 a similar but even more remarkable phenomenon came into view. The threat of the Scottish National Party causing a landslide in Scottish seats in the general election.

Despite an outbreak of hysteria, they managed to win 56 out of the 59 seats. In 2015, the Jeremy Corbyn apocalypse is upon us. A shock poll conducted by YouGov for The Times shows that on first preference votes he is 17 per cent in the lead.
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Two tribes have gone to war. Blair’s New Labour vs Corbyn’s Old Labour. And here’s the funny thing: amongst the electorate at large whether it’s in Greece, or Spain or the UK there are very large numbers of people who believe the Iraq War was wrong. Who believe the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. Who believe that the big corporate businesses now hold too much sway over our public life. Whether you come from the hard left or the moderate centre right it’s difficult to disagree with these analyses.

www.breitbart.com/london/2015/07/23/farage-for-breitbart-corbyn-might-win-the-labour-leadership-and-england-might-be-finishes-in-the-ashes-i-hope-im-wrong/

In my best Carlesburg voice; If Labour run banks, they'd all be modelled on the Co-op.

'Corbyn Under Same Establishment Attack as I Was'

The Establishment is floundering. Everyone denies they are part of it. Burnham says he isn't metropolitan elite and prefers to hang out with his mates from schooldays. Lackeys are reluctant to admit they are with the metropolitan elite, everyone is speaking mockney, dropping h's, dropping t's, saying they are one of the people and no longer acting as if public money grows on trees.

The Establishment is down to their last helpers - interns from Oxbridge on less than minimum wage. They are the only volunteers they have left, the people have gorn long ago, they are in the People's Armies cheering on the insurgents. Young people are enthused and manning phones for Corbyn which ring around the clock. A couple of interns are manning the phones for the modernisers but those phones never ring. Silence, doom and despair is all the Establishment see, while elsewhere the people are attending insurgent rallies full of hope and glee.

Political parties of all colours on the banks;

Having chastised the banks for lending during a global boom, and putting regulations in place to try and control that lending, after 2009 politicians were trying FORCE banks to lend, while banks having been told to shrink their balance sheets were trying to contract, during the worst recession in over 80-years, when 'risks' were so much higher than during a boom.

THAT is why politicians should not 'control' banks, basically for a similar reason why they no longer 'control' our Base Interest Rate moves, as they can use them for their political ends.

hen why is Corbyn so far in the lead among actual Labour Party members and constituency organisations? People have been denied a real choice and a real opposition to the Tories by the Labour Oxbridge team - the public school lot of spinners, SPADs and cads - who have tricked ordinary working people into accepting austerity, trade union rights being dismantled and illegal wars.

Because Labour's membership is about 200,000, and you need more than 200,000 votes to win an election.

No, people did not elect Labour when they had far left policies. When they changed their policies, people voted for them.

That is the point of a political party. To be elected & create policies. If you;re like Farage & fail to win a seat, you can't change anything.

What's this obsession with wind turbines?? Literally no one gives a shit apart from you about them - did one injure you or something?

'What's this obsession with wind turbines?'

Ask the metropolitan elite? That is what us UKIP supporters want to know. But of course we already know the answer, we are wise to their games.

'Because Labour's membership is about 200,000, and you need more than 200,000 votes to win an election.'

That membership is active and dedicated. Just because the rest of us don't join parties, don't assume we don't agree with active members. Finally the Labour active members have rebelled against their Oxbridge rulers and have joined the people who were always anti the metropolitan elite.

'A senior Labour politician, who would be classed as mainstream but so far is not backing any of the four, attributed Corbyn’s success so far to the failure of Burnham, Cooper and Kendall to grip the imagination. “Corbyn looks relaxed because he has nothing to lose. He has not flipped: he has remained consistent. He has tapped into what people are saying and thinking. The electorate is often ahead of politicians and Corbyn is the one who has managed to catch up with them.”

The active members in the Labour Party have caught up with the people, they have joined us who were way ahead all along.

I admit nationalising and re nationalising may be a bit much but at the very least we can challenge the plutocracy, regulate the big corporations, rather than continue down the road which leads to most of us existing to serve the ends of a predatory elite

"If you;re like Farage & fail to win a seat, you can't change anything."

UKIP the party changes colours all the time for votes, so I can't understand why claig has a problem getting her head around the electoral problem of changing policies for MORE votes, not less.

In 2010 the UKIP manifesto was clearly 'blue', a flat tax to help the rich and shrink the State and put them all to work in the mines, sending them by road not new rail lines they then opposed.

In 2015 it tried to be redish, yellowish, but the future was not orange, and PROVED what I challenged claig that UKIP could not be, all things to all folks, even though they nearly waited until AFTER the General Election to release it. lol

'I admit nationalising and re nationalising may be a bit much'

I disagree, it is now necessary.

'they no longer 'control' our Base Interest Rate moves, as they can use them for their political ends.'

The political ends of good politicians, non-metropolitan elite ones, are the ends of the people, the wishes of the people, to serve the people. Politicians and politics is about implementing the democratic will of the people and that requires control over finance, investment, interest rates and economic policy in order to serve the best interests of the country and its people, not to serve the interests of independent bankers.

"regulate the big corporations, rather than continue down the road which leads to most of us existing to serve the ends of a predatory elite"

And that rollocks treating all large businesses as the enemy, is why Corbynism would never be able to fund ANY part of his Shangri La La land society.

"The political ends of good politicians, non-metropolitan elite ones, are the ends of the people, the wishes of the people, to serve the people."

Yup I think Chairman Mao made the same speech to the Chinese, how DID that work out for 'the people'?