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Labour "ruling elite" "worried sick" about Jeremy Corbyn says Len McCluskey

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claig · 14/07/2015 07:43

"Unite's Len McCluskey said "an enormous surge" of people wanted to take part after Mr Corbyn was confirmed as running "because people are inspired".

Mr McCluskey accused the "ruling elite" of "trying to rubbish" Mr Corbyn.
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He said that those who thought Mr Corbyn was "marginalised" should "watch this space".

"I know the people who will be uncomfortable, despite the fact that they are saying the opposite - and that's the ruling elite," he said.

"They try and rubbish it, they try to turn it into a joke, but secretly they will be worried sick that ordinary people are suddenly given something to inspire them and something to link onto," Mr McCluskey said."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33504201

Good luck Jeremy Corbyn. Real democracy that ruins the plans of Labour's "ruling elite".

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claig · 29/07/2015 13:38

Isitmebut, you don't understand what is really at stake and what is going on. The things you think are insignificant are symptoms of a metropolitan elite mindset and our whole politics has been turned upside down due to the rise of the people against the metropolitan elites. UKIP got 4 million votes, those votes are the writing on the wall of what is to come.

Andy Burnham was interviewed on Newsnight last night, where Evan said to him, you are from Cambridge, you worked as a SPAD, you're as inside as it gets. Burnham is saying he is different, he's not metropolitan elite he says. He says he understands why Corbyn is so popular

"What our members are telling us is that they are yearning for a different style of politics from Labour and a break with the bad habits of the past," he will say. "They are sick of politicians speaking in soundbites, sticking to the script and looking like they don't believe a word they are saying."

Blair and the modernisers are astounded by how fast their entire house of spin has collapsed. The same collapse is coming for the Tory modernisers, except they are cleverer and are all changing and ditching the rooftopm wind turbines.

Politics is about mood and being in touch with the people. The metropolitan elite spinners lorded it over the people for many years, but it is now collapsing like a deflated whoopee cushion.

Farage started the collapse off by being real and now Corbyn is being real. We are going through real changes and any moderniser who doesn't understand it and who can't adapt is going to end up in Jurassic Park next to Blair, speaking mockney and making coached hand gestures to the trees, barking at the moon.

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niceguy2 · 29/07/2015 13:56

Politics is about mood and being in touch with the people.

You are right. And the majority of the electorate voted for a party that is to the right of Labour. So voting in a left wing alternative, no matter how noble his cause will just resign Labour to be the opposition again in 2020.

I like Corbyn. I like an honest man who speaks his mind, even if I don't agree with his policies. I wouldn't vote for him though.

Unfortunately I think the left are getting themselves all in a tither thinking a Corbyn victory will somehow mean the electorate on the whole can be convinced that the socialist/lefty policies are right because they are noble and just.

In reality the majority of the electorate will just vote Tory/UKIP again.

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claig · 29/07/2015 13:59

John Rentoul, a Blairite and a biographer of Blair, was on Newsnight the other night and he said he never saw Corbyn's success coming, he thought it was like a joke entry in the Labour leadership contest, but now he thinks Corbyn may actually win.

None of the great and good saw this coming, none of the modernisers understand the people, just like they didn't understand Farage. Everything has changed.

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Isitmebut · 29/07/2015 14:06

Claigs not a Ruskie ... its a parrot.

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claig · 29/07/2015 14:09

'And the majority of the electorate voted for a party that is to the right of Labour. '

Only because Labour was Tory lite. They were PPEs, Establishment, not for real, everyone knew that. Corbyn is different.

' I wouldn't vote for him though.'

You never know what he might really offer. We are all the people and if he meets our interests, we may vote for him and ignore the bits we disagree with. He may be capable of offering a really stunning alternative. Never rule anything out.

'In reality the majority of the electorate will just vote Tory/UKIP again.'

I don't think they will vote Tory because a real argument against austerity and for the people can beat a pro banking austerity argument any day of the week.

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howtorebuild · 29/07/2015 14:10

Everyone has been in austerity due to bankers. Labour spent less in thirteen years than Osborne has spent in five.

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Isitmebut · 29/07/2015 14:30

howtorebuild ... do you know many people or MPs that wanted Osborne to slash the £153 billion government overspend from Day One?

Labours annual government spending rose around 50% from 2001 (when our budget balanced) to 2008 based on the tax receipts of the Labour financial bubble and BORROWING annually £30 billion a year plus ON TOP, as the UK government spent around a total £800 billion a year.

When the financial crash came, leading on to a great recession, the tax receipts of the 'bubble' dried up, so the annual borrowing by the Brown government increased = a £153 billion by 2010.

So as the Labour government had built a high spending economy on a financial bubble and debt sand, the fixed cost remained, so there was no way Osborne COULD slash £153 bil a year in 2010.

So its rather pathetic when many who have OPPOSED all government spending cuts, to then say Osborne is spending more than Labour - as the 2010 UK economy with around £400 bil of national debt in 1997 - was nothing like the crashed, unbalanced economy Labour passed back in 2010, with £1 trillion of national debt and the £153 bil annual overspend which accumulates onto the total national debt figure.

(Now WHO sounds like a parrot, I wish I had £1 for every time I've had to explain that to the suckers who believe all Labour's propaganda, on here)

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claig · 29/07/2015 14:31

Go to Corbyn's website and at the top you will see classic lines taken straight from Farage, although the left will never admit it because they absolutely hate Farage (in the same way the Tory modernisers do), even more than they hate the Tories, because Farage is a real opponent.

"Jeremy Corbyn - straight talking, honest politics"

is at the top of his website.

And one of his great new ideas is a National Education Service which will train and help the potential of eberyone in the country to contribute to the wealth and success of our society. Not just Andy Burnham's single policy about social care, but a new National Education Service, and that is probably just the start of the changes to come.

"Writing for LabourList Corbyn will argue that, like the NHS, the National Education Service would be universal and free at the point of use. This starts with universal free childcare and involves an expansion of adult education funding, reversing the "grossly irresponsible" cuts made by George Osborne."

www.jeremyforlabour.com/jeremy_corbyn_plans_national_education_service

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Isitmebut · 29/07/2015 14:36

P.S. The UK economy built on financial excesses/debt sand would have crashed at the FIRST recession that came along, the fact our worst recession in 80-years was due to a financial recession that could no longer keep the financial ponzi scheme going; while due to the banks, our core problems were CAUSED before the late 2007 financial crash, as all the policy damage had already been done.

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claig · 29/07/2015 14:42

But that is why Corbyn is going to invest in manufacturing and reinvigorate the real productive capacity of the country and the workforce and why he is going to restrict the financial ponzi schemes of the big donors and lobbyists. We are the fifth or sixth largest economy in the world with an educated populace which will only become even more educated and innovative under Jeremy's National Education Service.

Jeremy is not going to sit and do nothing and moan that we are all doomed like the PPEs did, he is going to grab the bull by the horns and turn the country round and get it growing, educating and investing again, unless Farage gets there and does it first.

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Isitmebut · 29/07/2015 14:44

claig .... "National Education Service"

Feck me, the BIG idea, another no doubt useless and expensive Labour Quango
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1214001/The-cost-quango-Britain-hits-170bn--seven-fold-rise-Labour-came-power.html

From the Labour government who doubled the Education budget for these results;

October 2013; “Young adults in England have scored among the lowest results in the industrialised world in international literacy and numeracy tests.”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-24433320

”A major study by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) shows how England's 16 to 24-year-olds are falling behind their Asian and European counterparts.”

”England is 22nd for literacy and 21st for numeracy out of 24 countries.”

”The OECD's Andreas Schleicher warned of a shrinking pool of skilled workers.”


Corbyn's first Education port of call should be to first understand what Labour did wrong, not form a new layer of similar shite.
www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/labour-admits-great-crime-on-education-tristram-hunt-says-his-party-encouraged-schools-to-aim-too-low--and-pupils-paid-the-price-9053693.html

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claig · 29/07/2015 14:46

We have been sold a lie by the PPEs and metropolitan elites that there is no alternative to austerity, no alternative to ring-fenced foreign aid, no alternative to rooftop wind turbines and no alternative to decline.

Of course there is an alternative, just like there was when Labour created the NHS after te devasatation of WWII.

Corbyn has offered hope and that is why young people are backing him. They want a future, not a future of austerity and tens of thousands of debt for wanting to better themselves with education. Corbyn has burst the PPEs' bubble, just like Farage did before him.

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claig · 29/07/2015 14:50

'Feck me, the BIG idea, another no doubt useless and expensive Labour Quango'

Was the Labour created Open University a useless quango? Of course it wasn't, it was one of the most far-sighted, helpful things any government could do - to invest in its people and their brilliance and potential.

A National Education Service would create new learning, new business, new art, new prosperity, new ingenuity, it would be a motor to drive innovation and creativity.

A National Education Service is for the people, not for the metropolitan elite PPEs in their charidees with their taxpayer funded quango expenses.

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howtorebuild · 29/07/2015 14:52

Money could go into setting up the NHS partly due to the kindness of commonwealth countries who helped fund the refurbishment of the bomb damaged Palace of Westminster.

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Isitmebut · 29/07/2015 14:52

"But that is why Corbyn is going to invest in manufacturing and reinvigorate the real productive capacity of the country and the workforce"

claig ... it take MORE THAN WORDS, especially from some ol Marxist fart who only talks about PUTTING THE COSTS OF BUSINESSES UP.

Under Labour Manufacturing fell from around 23% of our economy in 1997 to 12% in 2010 - with much of that going BEFORE the financial crash.

1997 to 2005 ; 'Million factory jobs lost' under Labour’
www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/million-factory-jobs-lost-under-labour-6150418.html

^“Gordon Brown's reputation for economic management will suffer a blow today from official figures showing that 1 million manufacturing jobs have been lost since Labour won power in May 1997.”*

“Business organisations blamed red tape, rising taxes, a strong pound and the burgeoning public sector for the wave of redundancies. They urged Mr Brown to use his Budget to slash costs facing industry and do more to boost skills.”

“The number of workforce jobs in manufacturing - employees, self-employed and owner managers - has declined from 4.52 million in spring 1997 to 3.53 million at the end of September last year. Figures from the Office for National Statistics today are expected to show the decline, to the end of December, has broken the 1 million mark.”

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claig · 29/07/2015 14:56

'Under Labour Manufacturing fell from around 23% of our economy in 1997 to 12% in 2010'

But they were PPEs. Corbyn isn't. This is a real change, a new direction, new hope, the end of spin, the start of a revival.

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Isitmebut · 29/07/2015 14:57

claig ... I'd concentrate on the record of flushed with £££cash Labour's LAST 13-years as a guide to the future under Corbyn or similar, not any successes decades ago, that were clearly the HIGHS to date - as socialism only works until the money has gone, and it nearly had if their 2010 spending would have gone unchecked.

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howtorebuild · 29/07/2015 14:59

The EU made us a tourist area not a manufacturing area. Hmm

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claig · 29/07/2015 15:03

howtorebuild, good point.

We have to manufacture, produce and rebuild as howtorevuild's name suggests. We have to educate in order to invent and excel. Why put barriers in the way of education? Why not encourage lifelong learning at all ages in order to reskill and educate the people. Put a levy on the banks, cut their profits and make them pay for it.

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Isitmebut · 29/07/2015 15:04

'But they were PPEs. Corbyn isn't.'

Do grow up and ditch this PPE idiocy.

Corbyn is like Milibands last university professor strategy/policy advisor, full of theory and hot air, the UK private sector competing in world markets could not, did not, thrive on State controls, regulation/red tape and high taxes.

It was seen, done, and trying to be reversed.

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claig · 29/07/2015 15:06

'I'd concentrate on the record of flushed with £££cash Labour's LAST 13-years'

They were a joke, but Corbyn isn't. The modernisers are no longer laughing, they know Corbyn is real. There'll be no Brownian "light touch regulation" of the banks, no more knighthoods for bankers, no more waste of public money, just investment and growth.

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Alyosha · 29/07/2015 15:07

We have been sold a lie by the PPEs and metropolitan elites that there is no alternative to austerity, no alternative to ring-fenced foreign aid, no alternative to rooftop wind turbines and no alternative to decline.

Do you genuinely believe voters are going to the polls thinking "hmm, I'm worried about rooftop turbines - better vote Ukip/Corbyn"?! Most people are worried about about their individual prosperity & the prosperity of the country, not about whether or not global warming is some kind of giant scam (as claig & shell & BP believe).

Why on earth is it a good idea for Labour to follow in the footsteps of a party that failed to win more than 1 seat at the general election? Is that what we're aiming for now - 1 seat?

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claig · 29/07/2015 15:11

'Do grow up and ditch this PPE idiocy.'

Is Nick Cohen, a PPE, an idiot?

"How an Oxford degree – PPE – created a robotic governing class

Most of our prominent politicians studied the same subject at Oxford. Is it any wonder we’re so badly governed?"

www.spectator.co.uk/features/9322492/the-politics-of-ppe/

The country has been badly governed, for the benefit of the few and not the many, banks have been bailed out with our money. We need new ideas, new people, a new direction - we need Corbyn and Farage, not the same ol "robotic governing class" of PPEs.

The modernisers are in meltdown because they never saw it coming and now they can read the writing on the wall.

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Isitmebut · 29/07/2015 15:13

howtorebuild .... the UK's trade with the EU accounts for around 50% of our total - and our UK company exports tend to be higher up in the value i.e. specialist optics and aircraft engines.

In 2010 we had this ridiculous situation where the UK were doing more business with Ireland, than the 2.3 billion people within the emerging Brazil, Russia, India and China nations.

That is why the Conservative government has looked to expand our trade across the world, that is where Cameron is now (in the far East), as Europe will be the least fastest growing economic block for decades to come.

Much of the manufacturing the West lost, could come back from the likes of China as their wages rising makes it less attractive to make and transport back here - but it will not come back to the UK if we AGAIN became a high tax, high regulation country - which is all Labour knows.

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claig · 29/07/2015 15:16

'Do you genuinely believe voters are going to the polls thinking "hmm, I'm worried about rooftop turbines - better vote Ukip/Corbyn"?'

Voters vote on many different issues, not just Andy Burnhams's single issue of social care. 4 million voted UKIP and disbelieved the metropolitan elite who told them UKIP were an incompetent bunch of "fruitcakes". The people voting Corbyn disbelieve the modernisers and the media who tell them that Corbyn is economically incompetent. They are voting Corbyn for justice, for a future and a better way.

Most of UKIP's voters were people who were sick of the metropolitan elite in all their aspects. Burnham gets it which is why he claims desperately that he is not metropolitan elite.

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