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An open letter to everyone who voted Conservative

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blacksunday · 10/05/2015 07:19

To everyone who voted conservative yesterday,

I hope you’re happy. Actually that’s a lie, I really don’t. But before you sit smugly down and give yourself a big pat on the back I’d like to ask you a few questions.

Do you think you haven’t benefitted from the system you are currently trying to break down? As a child, did you ever go to hospital? Have you had an education? Did you ever use a library? Have you ever been on a bus? If so, you have benefited from a system which subsidises facilities with taxes. And now you have, you are willing to take it away from everyone after you. Correct me if I’m wrong but that doesn’t seem very fair. You cannot have socialism and a support system when you need it but then be unwilling to support it for other people.

Now if you are someone who has used the private sector more than public services then I also want to know a few things. If you went to private school, or used private medical care as a child, did you pay for it yourself? Now I’m not asking if your parents paid for it, but you personally. I’m guessing the answer is no. So can you genuinely say you worked hard to get these privileges? No baby earns the right to an education. No child works hard to be born into a particular family who can afford healthcare. So why do you think one person is more deserving than another? If you value working hard and getting on how can you see this as fair? Do you really want to live in a world where children are deemed more worthy of education and healthcare based on what family they come from?

If you are someone who uses a lot of private, who are you? Are you one of the 1% who are currently getting richer? If so, are you ok with the fact that your benefit is someone else’s misery, someone’s poverty, someone’s lack of care? Are you ok with the fact that while you got a pay rise 900,000 people had to go to food banks because they literally didn’t have enough money to feed themselves to survive? Do you really believe that you work harder than these people?

If you aren’t one of these few people benefitting from this system then why have you voted for it? Conservatives use rhetoric of working hard and fairness but this is simply not the reality. If you start life without a lot, to get out of that is hard. “Success” stories are pinned up to show that if you work hard you get somewhere. But they are stories because they are anomalies. To come from a background of little education or money and to get a career you want is not the common way, and you can’t do it without a benefit system. We do not live in a system where if you work hard you get somewhere, the system the conservatives are creating means that if you start off well off you stay that way. Because someone who goes to a private school with tiny class sizes and one on one help does not have to work as hard as someone at an underachieving state school with over worked underpaid staff and huge classes. They just don’t.

Now if you are either one of these types of people you have to question whether you really do believe in what you have voted for. Because in voting conservative you are saying you are happy with the last 5 years. You are endorsing food banks. You are endorsing cutting care for the elderly and the mentally ill. You are endorsing a party where over half the MPs voted against gay marriage. You are saying yes to the NHS being privatised. You are saying you are happy with people being put off education based not on ability or passion but by money. You are saying yes to victimising the poor and disabled and scapegoating people based on where they come from. You are saying that you are ok with the incredible inequality in our country today and you are saying you want more of it.

I do not wish poverty on anyone. It is a cruel and harsh life. But what I do wish for you is that you at least experience it. If not first hand, that you witness the harsh trapping reality that is poverty. The gruelling cycle that doesn’t allow a parent to feed their children. That doesn’t allow for parents to feed themselves. And that you see that this is people who are working. People with jobs. And if they aren’t I hope you see that a life on benefits is not the picnic people make it out to be. Nobody wants to be on benefits. Maybe if you see this you will see what you have voted for.

And if you are ok with all of this then you make me sick. I can’t put it any other way. I am so ashamed to come from a country where this is apparently what the majority think. That the majority of people are too selfish to accept any form of tax rise to support those in our society who need help makes me so incredibly sad. Truly you should be ashamed of yourself that you can so heartlessly put yourself first and not see the consequences. I hope that in the next 5 years you fully appreciate what you did yesterday. I hope you know what you have supported and I hope one day you feel guilty. Because I am scared of what the next 5 years will bring and you should be too.

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Everythingsgonegreen · 10/05/2015 12:48

Democracy pure and simple.

MrsCookieMonster · 10/05/2015 12:49

Wiggly, some examples of labour propaganda

  • Conservatives privatised the NHS - not true labour did far more privatisation than the coalition government.
  • Labour were in no way responsible for the recession - they were partly responsible in that if they had not been running a deficit when the country was doing very well we would have been in a much better position to fend off the crash(I equally don't accept they caused the whole recession). They also deregulated the banks, conservatives may have not voted against it but they were not in power labour were and they were the ones who did it.
  • Conservativess are ruining the education system with free schools etc - they are really only extending the academy system started by labour.
  • Bedroom tax is disgusting unfair etc - okay then why was it okay for it to be in place for tenants who rented privately with housing benefit when labour were in power.
  • ATOS reviews are evil and kill people - Labour gave them the DWP contract in 2005!! Are you really telling me that if they are so awful, causing suicides etc that this has just started happening after 2010.

Just some and I can't be bothered linking to stories but you will easily find then if you want to although I suspect I am wasting my time because you don't want to hear reasoned debate you just want to feel superior to the thick tory scum.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 10/05/2015 12:50

Wiggly, you know you must be on shaky ground when you resort to throwing snide remarks to all and sundry.

Jobless123 · 10/05/2015 12:53

The SNP are far-left indeed - but the only reason they are so popular is because they are doing it with someone else's money.

If the Scots actually had to pay for their goodies, the SNP would quickly lose support.

TheFillyjonk · 10/05/2015 12:56

You make some good points and I agree with some of them, but I too am tired of these posts. What right have you got to chastise voters because they don't think or feel the same as you? And what makes you think anybody who voted Conservative is going to feel any differently on reading your piece?

Your tone was pretty sanctimonious, to be honest, and I feel it will only grate on Conservatives and give them more fuel to laugh at the "hysterical lefties".

SnowBells · 10/05/2015 12:56

wiggy
Of course, Tory had to borrow more. The world they were left with was completely different to the one Labour had in the late 90s. You may have heard of the global financial crisis - it's aftermath was really worse with MOST countries struggling.

wigglylines · 10/05/2015 13:00

Bedroom tax is inherently unfair. If you can't see that there's no point in arguing it.

ATOS reviews do kill people. Just because Labour brought it in, doesn't mean it's not happening, nor that they shouldn't point it out.

AFAIK, the Free Schools are fundamentally different from academies in that they can employ non-qualified people as teachers (this from memory so may need fact-checking!) Personally I'm not keen on academies, but that they brought in academies doesn't mean they can't criticise free schools.

The Tories have got so many people thinking that Gordon Brown / Labour caused the recession that Labour have got to do something to counteract the myth. I don't think they've done a very good job of it.

Yup, Labour did increase privatisation, I'm sorry to agree. But the Tories are continuing to dismantle the NHS.

However, I don't see anything on your list of Labour propaganda that targets vulnerable people in our society in the way Tory propaganda does, or which will end up in suffering for 100,000s and even death.

Do you see the difference?

(Again I'm not a Labour voter, just trying to understand why people vote Tory).

claig · 10/05/2015 13:03

'My own mother for example is one of the smartest people I've ever met.'

So she voted Tory?

wigglylines · 10/05/2015 13:04

"Wiggly, you know you must be on shaky ground when you resort to throwing snide remarks to all and sundry."

Where have I thrown snide remarks at all and sundry?!

wigglylines · 10/05/2015 13:04

Very funny claig.

Not UKIP then?

claig · 10/05/2015 13:07

'Where have I thrown snide remarks at all and sundry?!'

That's true, not at Labour voters.

claig · 10/05/2015 13:08

But at UKIP, you've had a real unwarranted go.

MrsCookieMonster · 10/05/2015 13:10

Wiggly

Bedroom tax is inherently unfair. If you can't see that there's no point in arguing it.
I have explained above why I don't think it is unfair in theory and will copy here again. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I am wrong!
The 'bedroom tax' is not in theory unfair;

  • It is already in place in the private sector
  • the whole theory of social housing is that the people most in need should have the housing and if you have a mother whose children have all left home and she is living in a 4 bed house this should go to a young family. It is sad that an older person would have to leave their home and move somewhere smaller but I don't understand how socialists can disagree with this as it is the whole basis of social housing. I do agree it is currently not fair because I think there should have been some concessions;
  • If you have a disability or a disabled child you should be allowed an additional bedroom
  • You should only be charged the subsidy if you declined a smaller property 2 times as there is a shortage of 1 bed properties and it is not fair for people to be charged if they cannot get a smaller property.

ATOS reviews do kill people. Just because Labour brought it in, doesn't mean it's not happening, nor that they shouldn't point it out. - but not between 2005 and 2010 though, only since 2010, did they point it out in the last election campaign then and criticise themselves?

^However, I don't see anything on your list of Labour propaganda that targets vulnerable people in our society in the way Tory propaganda does, or which will end up in suffering for 100,000s and even death.
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Labour constantly talking about working people, the squeezed middle etc in the same way the conservatives do so they are just a responsible for the denegration of people claiming benefits.

If you want to understand it re-read my posts as I have explained why I and many other voted conservative and it is not because I want benefits cut, to get rid of the immigrants and all the other things that it suits people to say. Btw, I am an immigrant.

blacksunday · 10/05/2015 13:13

If you want to understand it re-read my posts as I have explained why I and many other voted conservative and it is not because I want benefits cut, to get rid of the immigrants and all the other things that it suits people to say.

Well, benefit cuts, attacks on immigrants, increased poverty and inequality, attacks on human rights, public service cuts, and further privatisation of the NHS is what you'll be getting.

Enjoy.

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MrsCookieMonster · 10/05/2015 13:17

Well, benefit cuts, attacks on immigrants, increased poverty and inequality, attacks on human rights, public service cuts, and further privatisation of the NHS is what you'll be getting

I don't agree with you but obviously you and your crystal ball know it all. Come back in 5 years and lets see where we are.

millionsmom · 10/05/2015 13:20

Democracy
Milliband stabbed his brother in the back to become leader. The Left wing Unions backed him because they wanted a return to the 'Real' Labour Party.
If he's prepared to do that to his brother, what will he do when he's actually IN power? The Unions dragged the UK into a real mess in the 70s, I don't want my grandkids to have to do their homework by candlelight because of the strikes. Both my parents are still staunch Union and Labour supporters, so is the town where they live, the place is like a mini Liverpool. High unemployment- it's all the Tories fault - but what did Labour do for them when they were actually IN power?? Absolutely nothing. They - Labour - continued to feather their own nests, they cut benefits. At one time my kids were entitled to free meals, but the Labour Gov 'modernised' the benefits so we were no longer entitled. My DH always had a job, yet we had less than folk on the dole or sickness. Hardly fair or giving anyone encouragement to do better. Labour brought in the 'pay for' TV screens in hospitals, allowed car parking charges in the hospital car parks. Hardly a party for the poor working man. Oh and legal aid was also cut, surely that should tell you something. We had to pay all our court fees to stop my abusive XH taking custody of the children. He was on the sick and didn't pay a penny - but he could afford his new computers, cars etc.
Lib Dems blew their credibility out of the water, talk about flip flop, still have University fees, that was their big carrot.

WE - my family - have worked hard, come from a really awful town with major problems, put our noses to the flaming grindstone, all the children are adults now. Statisticly they should be the bottom of the pile, but all of them 'got out' all of them are working. Looking at their school friends, my dc are the winners. Looking at our old friends, still on benefits and their dc are on too makes me very sad. What happened to wanting to make a great life? If we can do it, anyone can. It's about time a whole mass of society stopped blaming others for their benefits/crappy lives and DID something. If you want 'your' party to win next time, join them, start working now to change.

blacksunday · 10/05/2015 13:25

Are you joking?!

  1. Benefits cuts have already been made and 12bn more are planned.
  1. Anti-immigration rhetoric has been evident through the election campaign and years before, since the rise of UKIP. Tories pandered to this rhetoric, and many Tory MPs (not all) are anti-immigration.
  1. Increased poverty and inequality in indisputable. I can give you a whole bunch of facts and figures and graphs, but I don't think you'll pay any attention to it whatsoever. Since the financial crisis the richest have doubled their wealth and everyone else has suffered real-term drop in pay and standard of living.
  1. Abolishing the Human Rights Act is already on the agenda. This is a Tory policy they explicitly said that want to carry through with. Google it.
  1. Public service cuts are already taking place.

Coalition cuts force £10bn in public sector savings

More than 200 areas of public spending faced real-terms cuts in the first year of coalition government, Guardian analysis shows

www.theguardian.com/society/2011/oct/26/coalition-spending-cuts-survey

The Tories are small-state ideologues! What do you expect to happen?

  1. The NHS is being privatised piecemeal:

NHS agrees largest-ever privatisation deal to tackle backlog

Plan by NHS Supply Chain to deal with backlog of patients waiting for surgery and tests will see 11 companies paid £780m to diagnose and treat patients

www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/12/nhs-agrees-largest-ever-privatisation-deal-to-tackle-backlog

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heylilbunny · 10/05/2015 13:26

An interesting result of the election is that almost 4m people who voted for UKIP only have 1 MP to represent them while 1.5 mil in Scotland have over 40 and the right wing are suddenly interested in proportional representation. When the Lib Dems proposed it they were ignored.

Wiggly I have never voted Conservative or for UKIP but your posts are extremely patronizing. Labour has lost it's way that's clear. It is losing (has lost) Scottish voters to SNP and many working class voters in England to UKIP as well as other smaller parties.

When you patronize people and then expect then to read through long paragraphs of your diatribes other people really don't want to engage. Imagine if you were in the pub or at a table with everyone here - patronizing ranting is a major turnoff. It's the "we know better and you are all thick, deluded or brainwashed" that turns people off even when they agree with you. FYI I read the Daily Mail (online), I also read The Guardian, The Telegraph (until my I hit 10 articles a month as I don't pay), the Independent, the NYT, the BBC, magazines, journals. blogs and a range of other sources. I think most people do. Stereotyping each other is a losing game and gives you a very warped idea of why people vote the way they do. I like to read lots of points of view - including those of people I don't agree with.

JugglingFromHereToThere · 10/05/2015 13:34

Thanks for your OP blacksunday
I agree with you, just how I feel

APlaceOnTheCouch · 10/05/2015 13:35

How can you disagree with blacksunday's list? All of the following are in the Conservative manifesto:

benefit cuts
The Conservatives said they would cut the welfare budget so that means benefits will be cut.

attacks on immigrants
The Conservative manifesto promises controls on immigration; robust enforcement; a cap; and restricting benefits.

attacks on human rights
The Conservatives have said they will repeal the Human Rights Act and replace it with a new bill that they will draft. (I really struggle with the fact that we have a government that thinks the Human Rights Act is surplus to requirements buy hey ho that's democracy for you!)

further privatisation of the NHS
Since the Conservatives are supporters of TTIP then further privatisation of the NHS is highly likely.

Admittedly you could say the Conservative manifesto doesn't say they will increase poverty and inequality but it's not a massive leap from their policies to assume they will both increase.

LaVolcan · 10/05/2015 13:37

and the right wing are suddenly interested in proportional representation.

I did find that very funny. If their support had translated into seats, they wouldn't be bothered. Still, they could still get seats in Parliament by MPs of the UKIP tendency defecting.

MrsCookieMonster · 10/05/2015 13:38

You do know the guardian is a left wing newspaper right? Although they do take advantage of their offshore trust status to pay minimal tax so not left wing in any way that matters.

The gap between the rich and the poor increased hugely and child poverty also increased while labour where in power.

I am not anti-labour and understand they did lots of things well because I can see past the political rhetoric and understand both sides of an argument, something you are clearly not capable of.

Human rights act would be replaced (perhaps you could google that) although I don't think it will happen in any case because a number of tory MP's would vote against it.

So keep condescending to me because it won't change anything. Instead of throwing around insults why don't you do something to help like campaign, volunteer and donate like so many of those evil tory voters do.

LaVolcan · 10/05/2015 13:42

the guardian is a left wing newspaper

Make that an exam question and put the word Discuss after it.
I agree it's not right wing like the Torygraph.

bananaramadramallama · 10/05/2015 13:42

heylilbunny - yes.

You have put my feelings into words.

fiveacres · 10/05/2015 13:43

The guardian is a whiny newspaper. Lots and lots of problems, absolutely no solutions other than spend money

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