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An open letter to everyone who voted Conservative

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blacksunday · 10/05/2015 07:19

To everyone who voted conservative yesterday,

I hope you’re happy. Actually that’s a lie, I really don’t. But before you sit smugly down and give yourself a big pat on the back I’d like to ask you a few questions.

Do you think you haven’t benefitted from the system you are currently trying to break down? As a child, did you ever go to hospital? Have you had an education? Did you ever use a library? Have you ever been on a bus? If so, you have benefited from a system which subsidises facilities with taxes. And now you have, you are willing to take it away from everyone after you. Correct me if I’m wrong but that doesn’t seem very fair. You cannot have socialism and a support system when you need it but then be unwilling to support it for other people.

Now if you are someone who has used the private sector more than public services then I also want to know a few things. If you went to private school, or used private medical care as a child, did you pay for it yourself? Now I’m not asking if your parents paid for it, but you personally. I’m guessing the answer is no. So can you genuinely say you worked hard to get these privileges? No baby earns the right to an education. No child works hard to be born into a particular family who can afford healthcare. So why do you think one person is more deserving than another? If you value working hard and getting on how can you see this as fair? Do you really want to live in a world where children are deemed more worthy of education and healthcare based on what family they come from?

If you are someone who uses a lot of private, who are you? Are you one of the 1% who are currently getting richer? If so, are you ok with the fact that your benefit is someone else’s misery, someone’s poverty, someone’s lack of care? Are you ok with the fact that while you got a pay rise 900,000 people had to go to food banks because they literally didn’t have enough money to feed themselves to survive? Do you really believe that you work harder than these people?

If you aren’t one of these few people benefitting from this system then why have you voted for it? Conservatives use rhetoric of working hard and fairness but this is simply not the reality. If you start life without a lot, to get out of that is hard. “Success” stories are pinned up to show that if you work hard you get somewhere. But they are stories because they are anomalies. To come from a background of little education or money and to get a career you want is not the common way, and you can’t do it without a benefit system. We do not live in a system where if you work hard you get somewhere, the system the conservatives are creating means that if you start off well off you stay that way. Because someone who goes to a private school with tiny class sizes and one on one help does not have to work as hard as someone at an underachieving state school with over worked underpaid staff and huge classes. They just don’t.

Now if you are either one of these types of people you have to question whether you really do believe in what you have voted for. Because in voting conservative you are saying you are happy with the last 5 years. You are endorsing food banks. You are endorsing cutting care for the elderly and the mentally ill. You are endorsing a party where over half the MPs voted against gay marriage. You are saying yes to the NHS being privatised. You are saying you are happy with people being put off education based not on ability or passion but by money. You are saying yes to victimising the poor and disabled and scapegoating people based on where they come from. You are saying that you are ok with the incredible inequality in our country today and you are saying you want more of it.

I do not wish poverty on anyone. It is a cruel and harsh life. But what I do wish for you is that you at least experience it. If not first hand, that you witness the harsh trapping reality that is poverty. The gruelling cycle that doesn’t allow a parent to feed their children. That doesn’t allow for parents to feed themselves. And that you see that this is people who are working. People with jobs. And if they aren’t I hope you see that a life on benefits is not the picnic people make it out to be. Nobody wants to be on benefits. Maybe if you see this you will see what you have voted for.

And if you are ok with all of this then you make me sick. I can’t put it any other way. I am so ashamed to come from a country where this is apparently what the majority think. That the majority of people are too selfish to accept any form of tax rise to support those in our society who need help makes me so incredibly sad. Truly you should be ashamed of yourself that you can so heartlessly put yourself first and not see the consequences. I hope that in the next 5 years you fully appreciate what you did yesterday. I hope you know what you have supported and I hope one day you feel guilty. Because I am scared of what the next 5 years will bring and you should be too.

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bananaramadramallama · 10/05/2015 13:46

(Well, apart from the fact that I voted Tory in the last 2 elections!)

Your last paragraph was what I agreed wholeheartedly with.

Justanotherlurker · 10/05/2015 13:47

2.) labour was also pandered to ukip by saying immigration needed to be looked into, whilst also apologising for getting the numbers wrong, so 1-1 draw

4.) they want to introduce a bill of rights which will further enhance the snoopers charter which was a labour invention, in fact garden brown wanted something similar and toured the idea, Google it, again 1-1 draw

Privatisation of the NHS, again your whitewashing over 13 years labour government in which the rate of privatisation was even more rapid, instead of scaremongering by using the U.S. healthcare model, you would do better to compare us the the rest of Europe and see where we are in the list and see how much in comparison to ours is publicly funded as that is what they are aiming for.

Maybe try and read some news that doesn't confirm your political ideas so you can have a balanced view.

Justanotherlurker · 10/05/2015 13:48
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MrsCookieMonster · 10/05/2015 13:49

The guardian is a whiny newspaper Smile

I actually like it but just know when reading it that, like most papers, there is an agenda. Can anyone seriously tell me Polly Toynbee is not totally left wing and biased.

TSSDNCOP · 10/05/2015 13:55

This sort of letter should be called A Rachel.

18 pages. Front and back. Zzzzzzzzzzz.

You lost me after the first sentence.

PelvicFloorTrauma · 10/05/2015 13:55

I am married to one of the 1% - he has happily paid millions of pounds in taxes in the last 20 years (all PAYE, no tax avoidance, we paid the SDLT on our house in full despite being advised to use a savings scheme). We have, however, spent the last few months planning where we would move to in the event Labour won power. Many many of our friends - who fall into the same category as us - were having the same conversations. Like it or not, we are very mobile and we do not have to reside here. The childish/ churlish of you will say "well why don't you fuck off then." The point is that whether you like it or not there is a tipping point in terms of how much money "the wealthy" are prepared to pay the state and, from our point of view, what Labour proposed to do took us beyond that.

Moonatic · 10/05/2015 14:02

OP, you sound so much more caring and kind and concerned and just and empathetic than most other people and especially anyone who votes Conservative or (spit) Ukip. I'm sure you are just far too modest to say so, as no-one likes to look boastful, do they? Well done, you. Hmm

Or maybe people who vote for other parties also want to see a better, fairer country, but just disagree as to the means of achieving that aim?

blacksunday · 10/05/2015 14:04

Nobody wants to be in a situation where the top 1% are financing the rest of the economy (even though that's not the case). I recognize that point.

If that is happening then something is wrong with the economy. If you have massive inequality, then where do you expect the vast bulk to the tax receipts to come from? Either you take the very richest who hold the vast majority of the wealth, or you dismantle public services.

The problem with the UK is that we're becoming a low-wage economy. Wages are so low for many people that they need to be topped up by the state.

How can people expect to contribute in taxation when they need the opposite?

So - what can we do? How we can reduce the tax burden for top and balance the budget?

How about a living wage for everyone who works? This would mean people could contribute more in tax, rely less on the state, and it would save the state a large amount in social security for top-ups, income support, child-support, etc. not to mention the positive effect it would have on health, etc.

But no, every time a fair wage is proposed, hysterical Tories come out in drones lamenting how the poor, hard-done by 'wealth creators' will leave the country if they're forced to pay a fair wage.

So instead, the public (the poor and middle-class) pay wages instead of the wealthy Capitalist.

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fiveacres · 10/05/2015 14:04

I used to like The Guardian, and to my late fathers disgust, liked reading Polly Toynbee's stuff. I don't always agree with her, but she makes me think.

One of my favourite books by her is Hard Work, about surviving on a low income. It was published in 2002, I think. Certainly under a Labour government Wink

ShellyBoobs · 10/05/2015 14:04

attacks on immigrants
The Conservative manifesto promises controls on immigration; robust enforcement; a cap; and restricting benefits.

You do realise that most people want to see immigration reduced, don't you?

Effectively what you're complaining about, again, is that politicians are pandering to the desires of the voting public.

That's exactly what they should be fucking doing!

But no, you and the rest of the left are so convinced of your superiority that everyone else is just stupid and wrong and needs to be shown that you are right.

blacksunday · 10/05/2015 14:06

Or maybe people who vote for other parties also want to see a better, fairer country,

Yeah, I really don't think being 'fair' is at the top of many Tory MPs list of priorities.

I'm not being sarcastic or snide here. Fairness isn't really a core part of conservative ideology. It never has been.

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Horsemadbird · 10/05/2015 14:14

Tosh, tripe and balderdash.

Only the Tories are taking the poor out of income tax , only the Tories had the top rate of tax at 45% rather than 13 years of Labour with it on 40%. Only under Labour did the gap between rich and poor grow like never before.

bananaramadramallama · 10/05/2015 14:18

This thread is like a scab I can't stop picking at.

I am screaming on the inside...

MrsCookieMonster · 10/05/2015 14:21

I am screaming on the inside Grin
I hear ya, I suspect lots of people are.

blacksunday · 10/05/2015 14:24

Tosh, tripe and balderdash.

It isn't. Conservative ideology tends to value ideas of 'justice' over 'fairness'.

Only the Tories are taking the poor out of income tax

This was a good move. Unfortunately, if you give with one hand and take away twice the amount with the other, the recipient is worse off in any case.

Only under Labour did the gap between rich and poor grow like never before.

That's just emperically not true.

If we're talking about income inequality (one measure), for example:

It increased the most during the 1980s. It has continued ever since.

www.equalitytrust.org.uk/resources/multimedia/infographic-income-inequality-uk

Wealth inequality:

The general pattern is of increases in social equality during the 1970s, followed by rising inequality in the 1980s and 1990s. Changes since 2000 are less clear.

www.jrf.org.uk/publications/poverty-and-wealth-across-britain-1968-2005

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Chipstick10 · 10/05/2015 14:25

It's called democracy and people can vote which ever way they chose .

bananaramadramallama · 10/05/2015 14:25
Grin
ShellyBoobs · 10/05/2015 14:34

It's called democracy and people can vote which ever way they chose .

Indeed. And a lot of people need to realise that MN, Twatter and Facebook are not representative of the majority of the population. I do think that's why so many people here seem to be having a hard time understanding why their views aren't represented in the election results.

The left are generally very vocal. Those further to the right, not so much.

Jux · 10/05/2015 14:58

Only the Tories are taking the poor out of income tax
Er, wasn't it LDs who forced the Tories to raise the tax allowance threshold?

GingerCuddleMonster · 10/05/2015 15:13

nice letter...

still won though didn't they...

Perhaps people should have voted and the Labour party campaigned more. Perhaps supporters of the left should stop being sore loosers and express good sportsmanship and just accept the loss.

I don't think the way forward is teaching our children, when we loose we name call, throw insults and deface war memorials Confused call me old fashioned if you will.

TwartFaceBeetj · 10/05/2015 15:16

Indeed. And a lot of people need to realise that MN, Twatter and Facebook are not representative of the majority of the population. I do think that's why so many people here seem to be having a hard time understanding why their views aren't represented in the election results.

Actually if we look at it this way 63.1% of the voting public didn't vote for or want the Torys.

So maybe twatter mn and fb are representative of the country?

Don't worry I'm sick to the back teeth with all these threads too.

But I did want to dispel the myth that more people wanted a conservatives government then not.

Horsemadbird · 10/05/2015 15:28

Those who didn' t vote have NO say. They clearly don't care if we have a Tory OR Labour govt so they cancel out the other. That means that MOST voters wanted the Tories.

Sheesh.

TwartFaceBeetj · 10/05/2015 15:30

No 36.9% voted for conservative. Those % are based on the people who turned out to vote

Sheeeh

Horsemadbird · 10/05/2015 15:32

You do know that's how our FPTP system works, no?

Or would you have been happier with PR which woudl have given us a UKIP/Con coalition?