An open letter to everyone who voted Conservative

[blacksunday]

To everyone who voted conservative yesterday,

I hope you’re happy. Actually that’s a lie, I really don’t. But before you sit smugly down and give yourself a big pat on the back I’d like to ask you a few questions.

Do you think you haven’t benefitted from the system you are currently trying to break down? As a child, did you ever go to hospital? Have you had an education? Did you ever use a library? Have you ever been on a bus? If so, you have benefited from a system which subsidises facilities with taxes. And now you have, you are willing to take it away from everyone after you. Correct me if I’m wrong but that doesn’t seem very fair. You cannot have socialism and a support system when you need it but then be unwilling to support it for other people.

Now if you are someone who has used the private sector more than public services then I also want to know a few things. If you went to private school, or used private medical care as a child, did you pay for it yourself? Now I’m not asking if your parents paid for it, but you personally. I’m guessing the answer is no. So can you genuinely say you worked hard to get these privileges? No baby earns the right to an education. No child works hard to be born into a particular family who can afford healthcare. So why do you think one person is more deserving than another? If you value working hard and getting on how can you see this as fair? Do you really want to live in a world where children are deemed more worthy of education and healthcare based on what family they come from?

If you are someone who uses a lot of private, who are you? Are you one of the 1% who are currently getting richer? If so, are you ok with the fact that your benefit is someone else’s misery, someone’s poverty, someone’s lack of care? Are you ok with the fact that while you got a pay rise 900,000 people had to go to food banks because they literally didn’t have enough money to feed themselves to survive? Do you really believe that you work harder than these people?

If you aren’t one of these few people benefitting from this system then why have you voted for it? Conservatives use rhetoric of working hard and fairness but this is simply not the reality. If you start life without a lot, to get out of that is hard. “Success” stories are pinned up to show that if you work hard you get somewhere. But they are stories because they are anomalies. To come from a background of little education or money and to get a career you want is not the common way, and you can’t do it without a benefit system. We do not live in a system where if you work hard you get somewhere, the system the conservatives are creating means that if you start off well off you stay that way. Because someone who goes to a private school with tiny class sizes and one on one help does not have to work as hard as someone at an underachieving state school with over worked underpaid staff and huge classes. They just don’t.

Now if you are either one of these types of people you have to question whether you really do believe in what you have voted for. Because in voting conservative you are saying you are happy with the last 5 years. You are endorsing food banks. You are endorsing cutting care for the elderly and the mentally ill. You are endorsing a party where over half the MPs voted against gay marriage. You are saying yes to the NHS being privatised. You are saying you are happy with people being put off education based not on ability or passion but by money. You are saying yes to victimising the poor and disabled and scapegoating people based on where they come from. You are saying that you are ok with the incredible inequality in our country today and you are saying you want more of it.

I do not wish poverty on anyone. It is a cruel and harsh life. But what I do wish for you is that you at least experience it. If not first hand, that you witness the harsh trapping reality that is poverty. The gruelling cycle that doesn’t allow a parent to feed their children. That doesn’t allow for parents to feed themselves. And that you see that this is people who are working. People with jobs. And if they aren’t I hope you see that a life on benefits is not the picnic people make it out to be. Nobody wants to be on benefits. Maybe if you see this you will see what you have voted for.

And if you are ok with all of this then you make me sick. I can’t put it any other way. I am so ashamed to come from a country where this is apparently what the majority think. That the majority of people are too selfish to accept any form of tax rise to support those in our society who need help makes me so incredibly sad. Truly you should be ashamed of yourself that you can so heartlessly put yourself first and not see the consequences. I hope that in the next 5 years you fully appreciate what you did yesterday. I hope you know what you have supported and I hope one day you feel guilty. Because I am scared of what the next 5 years will bring and you should be too.

Thatcher's heart would have been with the People's Army, not with the Cameroonies.

"Thatcher knew the Tories had to be the anti-establishment party. Does David Cameron?"
...
One thing that Thatcher grasped was that deference was dead, that the Tory party couldn’t be the political wing of the establisment. Instead, it needed to be an anti-establishment force: siding with the citizen against over-mighty government, rejecting corporatist stitch-ups and redistributing power.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/04/thatcher-knew-the-tories-had-to-be-the-anti-establishment-party-does-david-cameron/

She was repeatedly obliged to face down prejudice against women as she searched for a seat in Parliament. Once in government she was opposed not merely by the opposition Labour Party but also by the majority of the British governing class.

As prime minister, mainstream media institutions — such as the BBC — pilloried her. Oxford University, in a particularly vindictive move, refused to give her an honorary degree, an award traditionally presented to every prime minister who, like Margaret Thatcher, had been educated at Oxford.

Even when she was in retirement the British political and intellectual classes never fully acknowledged her achievement. She was even hated by large sections of her own Conservative Party, which eventually turned on her and destroyed her.

Indeed, Thatcher was so widely despised because she spoke out on behalf of ordinary, hard-working people against a complacent and self-interested political establishment. She was always the outsider.

Her values of hard work, individual responsibility, self-sufficiency and an unembarrassed patriotism were derived from her lower-middle-class background in Grantham in Lincolnshire. This upbringing in the heart of Middle England was her strength and her rock, and she never once forgot it.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2305996/Margaret-Thatcher-The-outsider-core-steel-held-honour-long-English-spoken.html

She would have thought that the progressive Cameroonies were a joke just like the millions of Tories who have left them to join the People's Army.

it represents the people against the Establishment and the metropolitan elite.

Alrighty then.

Bless

I know this is going to be deleted, sorry MNHQ...

But Claig, do fuck off

That's better

MoominKoalaAndMiniMoom,

'she was opposed not merely by the opposition Labour Party but also by the majority of the British governing class'

Just like Farage

'mainstream media institutions — such as the BBC — pilloried her'

Just like Farage

'Thatcher was so widely despised because she spoke out on behalf of ordinary, hard-working people against a complacent and self-interested political establishment. She was always the outsider'

Just like Farage

Some metropolitan elite political pundits from Oxbridge think that the People's Army will disappear after an EU Referendum, but they don't understand what the People's Army is really all about. It is an anti-establishment party that counters the metropolitan elite, just like Thatcher.

AccidentalAnarchist, no I think MNHQ should leave your leftwing post.

Christ. Yes, Thatcher was anti establishment.

She was also a free-marketeer which within its own construct is anti working people.
Her destruction of the unions, program of cuts and privatisation did very well in crushing the livelihood and quality of life for the actual hard working.
Yes, like ukip.
This is why they need to be stopped.

'She was also a free-marketeer which within its own construct is anti working people.'

Yes she was but that is not anti working people and the working people of Essex handed Thatcher her election victories as they switched from Labour to Tory. And now they are at the forefront of switching from Tory to UKIP. Lots of working people believe that Labour hold them back and stifle their opportunities. Here is the Guardian's Suzanne Moore on her Tory supporting mother

"but again I think of my flag-waving mother, who nursed my “uncle” when he had Aids, who was half of a mixed-race couple when that was much frowned upon. She believed that the Tories would enable her to do things and that Labour would stop her doing them. I called her stupid many times when I was a teenager. I had to get over myself. Now we all have to get over ourselves."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/14/working-class-tories-are-not-just-turkeys-voting-for-christmas

At the time Thatcher came in, the unions had too much power, and she broke that power.

With hindsight she went too far on privatisation etc. and she made mistakes.

UKIP are similar to Thatcher in their anti-establishment and anti-elitist stance, but they are more leftwing than Thatcher and are winning votes all across the North of England which Thatcher could not do.

Times have changed and the wishes of the people have changed and UKIP is a relatively new party without any Establishment history or baggage and is therefore able to change and adapt to the wishes of the people without being hamstrung by established ideologies.

'This is why they need to be stopped.'

The Tories are trying to stop them by becoming a "bue collar party of working people". That may be successful but the Tories have one major weakness - they are politically correct progressives with rooftop wind turbines and the wish to impose minimum alcohol pricing and other nanny state regulations on working people. That will be their downfall and will open the door for UKIP.

Please everyone, don't engage with Claig and Isitme!!! Let's just enjoy their Tommy Cooper-esque split personality sketch.

Thats right, this was meant to be a Labour propaganda thread - thats gone horribly wrong as shows exactly why people DID vote Conservative. lol

The 'one-and-the same' side splitter is getting a bit lame, but as one after the other subject finds Labour's apologists having their rear ends handed to them on a platter - don't 'engage', just sulk, I'm used to it. lol

sourdrawers well I can't take anybody seriously who links to the Daily facist Mail

Erection ....Well that shows how ignorant you are, as there are more than enough links to the Guardian and Independent etc in my posts.

The whinges of the whinging left;

'Reads the DailyFail',
'Your post are too long (and too detailed on Labour's failures)'
'Don't use bold (to highlight Labour's failures)',
'Don't be shouty (but thanks for the excuse not to answer)'
'You're too bias (this board is a left wing mouthpiece with our mistruths)'
'We will be mean to you and you'll go away (no fecking chance)'

Have I touched a nerve there

Hardly, you don't even got ON my nerves as you gave me an excuse to 'vent' - showing you the full repertoire of leftie excuses when they find that they are defending the 13-years indefensible and need to exit, stage left, asap. lol.

Haha that makes me laugh 13 years of lefty politics? not quite, Tony Blair was a wolf in sheeps clothing.
Even Michael Portello liked him and called him a Tory.

An overly fat and expensive State, a benefit culture, deficit government spending by choice, too much debt, too many taxes, can't get enough immigration, can't get the private sector to build enough homes to save their lives - in which decade were they Conservative ideological policies and failings?

Blair was the 1997 mouthpiece, but the UK was run by the cabinet of Scottish Mafia, headed by Brown.

An overly fat and expensive State, a benefit culture, deficit government spending by choice, too much debt, too many taxes, can't get enough immigration, can't get the private sector to build enough homes to save their lives - in which decade were they Conservative ideological policies and failings?

Tory myths.

Yawn!

Blacksunday .... dare me to produce the evidence on any one (or all), make my day - with the proviso that you don't do your usual and go M.I.A.

I've done so many times, isitmebut. I've produced evidence to dispel the myths about the a 'benefit culture' and 'overly fat and expensive state' many times on these talkboards.

I don't go, 'MIA'. Either you think I do, because I have a working life and, unlike you, don't have the free time and money to spout Tory propaganda on Mumsnet all day, every day, or I'm ignoring your posts because it's the usual tedium of bullshit, misdirections, and half-truths.

blacksunday … so your ‘chosen subject’ was welfare/benefits in answer to my Labour “benefits culture” failing amongst others, to another poster somehow comparing the Blair/Brown administration to any Conservative one;

• Where from 2003 Tax Credits to 6 million nearly overnight became 20 million and the bill in 2002/3 of £6 billion, got closer to £30 billion when Labour lost power – most of it on Child Tax Credit (not to be confused with Child Benefits) where those on the equivalent of £80k a year in 2003 could claim.

The fact was that under Labour ALL benefit/welfare spending became out of control, by any international measurement without any thought how this could be afforded when the first recession hit, never mind the worst in over 80-years which you have not only refused to acknowledge, but as a link in the post below shows, add it to your anti business crusade.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10574376/Graphic-Britain-outstrips-Europe-on-welfare-spending.html

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9963012/900000-choose-to-come-off-sickness-benefit-ahead-of-tests.html

As to supporting the poorest in society, listening to current future Labour leaders opinions, similar to the Conservatives, “throwing money as the poor ” based on the ‘life choices’ results New Labour achieved, may not be Labour’s future M.O. either.

More …..

Contd...

In fact, many of the things I have been saying on these boards re Labour’s wrong, deficit, debt, ant business, class divisive, lame manifesto etc etc etc, policies – that you called “Tory scum” or “Tory propaganda” before going MIA as within the links below of threads you began looking for a big headline – are NOW accepted by the Labour candidates, and people like you are now deemed red dinosaurs (by those future leaders) for your blinkered policy and Tory blame game, wanting a policy drift back to the 1970’s.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2346123-Im-not-devoid-of-morality-David-Cameron-tells-church-leaders-lol?pg=2

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2353372-UK-inequality-rising-more-quickly-than-under-Thatcher-report

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2360296-Taxpayers-spend-11bn-to-top-up-low-wages-paid-by-UK-companies

Isitmebut-

You're just making things up now. Sorry, I've had enough.

Your posts are dishonest, manipulative and disingenuous. You are selective with facts and have no respect for the truth.

Your sole purpose on this talkboard is to spread Tory propaganda for the Tory party, to put the Tories in the best possible light, and Labour in the worse possible light.

It doesn't matter who the person is, what they believe, or even the subject matter. All you do is use people's posts as a springboard to launch more bullshit.

So I'm not going to engage with your posts anymore. In fact, I'm going to use Greasemonkey to hide them.

Have fun talking to yourself.

I've created a Greasemonkey script to hide Isitmebut's posts.

Greasemonkey is a Firefox Add-on which can be obtained here:

addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/greasemonkey/

I will post the script if anyone is interested. You can change the user to anyone you like (including me). In the future, I'll change it so you can hide several users.

sdfs

Blacksunday .... re your blurts starting with "Your posts are dishonest, manipulative and disingenuous. You are selective with facts and have no respect for the truth."

Posters don't have to go further than the TITLES of your post to understand the problem is yours; they certainly don't need to get to your near pathological hatred of the Conservatives shown in most posts and constant references to "Tory scum" because in your delusion you see the 1970's as "the good old days", despite what history tells us.

Now like a true peddler of propaganda it is you you trying to silence me, how ideologically sick are you?

By all means 'greasemonkey me up', then add the the majority of the parliamentary Labour Party, who are saying similar things, around a month too late.