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An open letter to everyone who voted Conservative

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blacksunday · 10/05/2015 07:19

To everyone who voted conservative yesterday,

I hope you’re happy. Actually that’s a lie, I really don’t. But before you sit smugly down and give yourself a big pat on the back I’d like to ask you a few questions.

Do you think you haven’t benefitted from the system you are currently trying to break down? As a child, did you ever go to hospital? Have you had an education? Did you ever use a library? Have you ever been on a bus? If so, you have benefited from a system which subsidises facilities with taxes. And now you have, you are willing to take it away from everyone after you. Correct me if I’m wrong but that doesn’t seem very fair. You cannot have socialism and a support system when you need it but then be unwilling to support it for other people.

Now if you are someone who has used the private sector more than public services then I also want to know a few things. If you went to private school, or used private medical care as a child, did you pay for it yourself? Now I’m not asking if your parents paid for it, but you personally. I’m guessing the answer is no. So can you genuinely say you worked hard to get these privileges? No baby earns the right to an education. No child works hard to be born into a particular family who can afford healthcare. So why do you think one person is more deserving than another? If you value working hard and getting on how can you see this as fair? Do you really want to live in a world where children are deemed more worthy of education and healthcare based on what family they come from?

If you are someone who uses a lot of private, who are you? Are you one of the 1% who are currently getting richer? If so, are you ok with the fact that your benefit is someone else’s misery, someone’s poverty, someone’s lack of care? Are you ok with the fact that while you got a pay rise 900,000 people had to go to food banks because they literally didn’t have enough money to feed themselves to survive? Do you really believe that you work harder than these people?

If you aren’t one of these few people benefitting from this system then why have you voted for it? Conservatives use rhetoric of working hard and fairness but this is simply not the reality. If you start life without a lot, to get out of that is hard. “Success” stories are pinned up to show that if you work hard you get somewhere. But they are stories because they are anomalies. To come from a background of little education or money and to get a career you want is not the common way, and you can’t do it without a benefit system. We do not live in a system where if you work hard you get somewhere, the system the conservatives are creating means that if you start off well off you stay that way. Because someone who goes to a private school with tiny class sizes and one on one help does not have to work as hard as someone at an underachieving state school with over worked underpaid staff and huge classes. They just don’t.

Now if you are either one of these types of people you have to question whether you really do believe in what you have voted for. Because in voting conservative you are saying you are happy with the last 5 years. You are endorsing food banks. You are endorsing cutting care for the elderly and the mentally ill. You are endorsing a party where over half the MPs voted against gay marriage. You are saying yes to the NHS being privatised. You are saying you are happy with people being put off education based not on ability or passion but by money. You are saying yes to victimising the poor and disabled and scapegoating people based on where they come from. You are saying that you are ok with the incredible inequality in our country today and you are saying you want more of it.

I do not wish poverty on anyone. It is a cruel and harsh life. But what I do wish for you is that you at least experience it. If not first hand, that you witness the harsh trapping reality that is poverty. The gruelling cycle that doesn’t allow a parent to feed their children. That doesn’t allow for parents to feed themselves. And that you see that this is people who are working. People with jobs. And if they aren’t I hope you see that a life on benefits is not the picnic people make it out to be. Nobody wants to be on benefits. Maybe if you see this you will see what you have voted for.

And if you are ok with all of this then you make me sick. I can’t put it any other way. I am so ashamed to come from a country where this is apparently what the majority think. That the majority of people are too selfish to accept any form of tax rise to support those in our society who need help makes me so incredibly sad. Truly you should be ashamed of yourself that you can so heartlessly put yourself first and not see the consequences. I hope that in the next 5 years you fully appreciate what you did yesterday. I hope you know what you have supported and I hope one day you feel guilty. Because I am scared of what the next 5 years will bring and you should be too.

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wigglylines · 10/05/2015 12:22

banana that speaks volumes.

Let me paraphrase then.

The Royal Statistical Society proves my point that poeple are woefully misinformed.

I'm not insulting people or calling them stupid. I'm describing what actually happens.

coffeecakeandgin · 10/05/2015 12:23

I am not interested in falling into some sort of trap you are setting me, that's what.

I am happy with my choices, I exercised my right to vote for what party I wanted and you spouting off with your version of evidence - because of the nature of this thread - is of no interest to me.

coffeecakeandgin · 10/05/2015 12:25

But of course wiggly it's only Tory voters who are woefully misinformed. Labour voters have all the facts at their fingertips.

Horsemadbird · 10/05/2015 12:25

wiggly - why arae you wasting hours arguing with internet randoms when you could be out fighting the good fight, volunteering in foodbanks or just , you know, being a lovely , lovely leftie?

KateAdiesEarrings · 10/05/2015 12:28

But it is a fallacy that the economy is safer or better under the Conservatives.

It is a soundbite that the Conservatives and the right-leaning media repeat time and time again, but that doesn't make it true.

What I have found both surprising and tbh disturbing is the number of apparently educated business-people I know that have been basing their views on the soundbites from the right-wing media. Even when those soundbites are patently untrue and not supported by the facts/statistics.

On Conservative policy; on the causes of the deficit; on the rise of the SNP, they repeated figures that were untrue and inaccurate. Numbers that were indisputably wrong formed part of their explanation for their voting choice. I will defend their right to their opinion and their right to voice it, but don't ask me to respect the choice of people who can't even ensure they know the difference between opinion and fact; who can't appraise the numbers independent of the media they watch.

wigglylines · 10/05/2015 12:29

Thank you coffeecakeandgin I was curious about how people can vote Tory. The ones I have debated with here seem to all be demonstrating what you just have - instead of reasoned debate, you put your head in the sand and refuse to engage.

Are lots of Tory voters like this? I have no idea. But it helps me make sense of it a bit better.

It seems to me that you guys - the ones I've debated with here the last few days - don't know what's going on, because when presented with evidence you either simply don't read it (like banana above) or have no interested in looking at it.

There's a lot of being outraged at being "called names", but when you're offered the chance to understand why we're all so upset you don;t take it.

If someone was accusing the party I voted for of causing misery, suffering and death, I'd want to know why.

So, until I get evidence to the contrary, I will imagine the Tory voters as a herd of ostriches. It will help me be less depressed about the whole thing.

wigglylines · 10/05/2015 12:31

coffeecakeandgin please could you point me in the direction of some false Labour propaganda?

(I'm not saying there isn't any, and I'm not even a Labour voter, but I'm curious to see it, if it exists?)

coffeecakeandgin · 10/05/2015 12:31

Glad to have been of service wiggly. Your post to me is beyond patronising. You have no idea why I voted Conservative, what I researched beforehand, nor do you know my voting history. But, hey, call me an ostrich why don't you...

Horsemadbird · 10/05/2015 12:32

Silly coffee - all Labour voters are highly intelligent, deep thinking , good kind saints I'll have you know.

Which beggars the question, if Tories as seen by wiggly et al, are all rich bastards - how di dthey get rich? Unless you inherit cash ( small minority of the Evil Bastard Rich, BTW) then no one - NO ONE got rich by being thick, stupid, deluded or swallowing propaganda. And if all Labourites are super dupe rintelligent enough to have seen the light like wiggly how come so few are in positions of wealth and power compared with Tories? How come so many labour voters are at the very bottom of teh socioeconmic pile if they are all so bloody clever?

What do you do for a living , wiggly? I'd bloody love to know who I'm being lectured by. My gut feeling i sthat you're Not Very Clever At All.

bananaramadramallama · 10/05/2015 12:32

I don't know what 'volumes' I'm speaking in your opinion, but let me fill you in with the facts:

I can't be arsed because your tone is very patronising. The fact you are trying to make me 'see through' the 'propaganda' etc as though I am some poor half wit that requires 'the truth' to be spelled out to me.

I don't want to be lectured, I am saturated with politics and I am happy with the outcome of the election at this time.

I have no desire to read your reams of information and that one fact does not belie my motivations, intelligence, critical thinking or character at all.
I am just fed up with being talked at by people who 'hate the Tories', that's all.

wigglylines · 10/05/2015 12:33

Also, can you point me to any Labour propaganda about its own policies that are likely to lead to misery for 100,000s and death for many?

bananaramadramallama · 10/05/2015 12:36

(My last post was to Wiggly btw)

wigglylines · 10/05/2015 12:37

I'm pretty smart as it happens Grin

I'm not going to post identifying details here though.

But suffice to say I'm used to being top of the class in academic situations, that any good for you?

OhMrGove · 10/05/2015 12:38

I'm very happy.

Ecstatic in fact.

Thanks :)

Horsemadbird · 10/05/2015 12:38

Give it a rest wiggly love.

Go and help the starving . Or something.

Viviennemary · 10/05/2015 12:39

Labour left and Miliband are to blame for this result. They put themselves and their daft unworkable theories before the ordinary people of this country.

Enjoyingmycoffee1981 · 10/05/2015 12:39

One of the longest most tedious OP I have a read on mumsnet in a long time.

wigglylines · 10/05/2015 12:40

Horsemadbird perhaps because of compassion?

Perhaps because financial gain is not the only measure of success, and certainly not of intelligence?

My own mother for example is one of the smartest people I've ever met. She decided to stay in a career that she felt was socially useful, rather than leave and go to the private sector where she could have earned £££££££.

claig · 10/05/2015 12:40

"Tory policies are going to bring misery and sometimes death to a great number of people in the UK in the next five years."

I don't accept that. I think they will continue the recovery and prevent what happened under Labour

"UNACCEPTABLE: 13,000 needless deaths at NHS hospitals, claims Mid Staffs inspired review

UP to 13,000 patients may have died needlessly at hospital trusts across England, a shocking investigation has revealed."

www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/415214/UNACCEPTABLE-13-000-needless-deaths-at-NHS-hospitals-claims-Mid-Staffs-inspired-review

Viviennemary · 10/05/2015 12:41

And Nicola Sturgeon as well. Throwing down the gauntlet to undecided English voters clinched it.

wigglylines · 10/05/2015 12:42

claig, you're here. How are you? Finished licking your wounds yet?

UKIP didn't exactly flourish at the ballot box did it?

Horsemadbird · 10/05/2015 12:42

I don't know about being killed off by The Evil Tory Policies, I'm giving up the will to live just reading wiggly's loony rantings posts.....

wigglylines · 10/05/2015 12:43

Thank you Horsemadbird, you too are giving me an insight into a Tory mind.

I found it hard to understand how so many could ignore the facts, but I am starting to get it.

LaVolcan · 10/05/2015 12:46

I live in the south-east and have to admit to being baffled about talk of a recovery.

I am also fed up of the assumption that if you loathe and detest dislike the current breed of Tory, then you must be a Labour supporter.

blacksunday · 10/05/2015 12:47

I guess we'll find out how many people have already been killed by Evil Tory Policies when the government are forced to comply with a FOI act request:

Victory for Vox Political: DWP ordered to give details of benefit-related deaths

The Department for Work and Pensions has been ordered to disclose the number of Incapacity Benefit and ESA claimants who have died between November 2011 and May 2014.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/05/01/victory-for-vox-political-dwp-ordered-to-give-details-of-benefit-related-deaths/

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