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with the terrible history Jews have, why is Israel behaving like this?

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ssd · 20/07/2014 23:22

I would have thought they would be showing more compassion for a repressed minority but the opposite is happening

and Netanyahu saying they told the Palestinians to leave because they were going to be fired on...where the bloody hell would they go to?? IF THEY COULD GO AT ALL

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Springheeled · 25/07/2014 22:09

Hey thunders hope you're enjoying the spectacle on the news of the utter atrocity of a child delivered prematurely by c- section from her dead mother's body fighting for life. Enjoy, Israeli apologists- this is what you're defending

ThunderbumsMum · 25/07/2014 22:14

edam first of all, I am not justifying anything, I am pointing out the ever more extreme allegations about Israel whilst people excuse Hamas atrocities and ignore the situation in which Israel has been placed.

I suppose I think that Hamas, Hezbollah etc etc has really left Israel with little option but to behave the way it is if it wants to survive. And the number of people on this thread who refuse to consider that Israel has essentially been forced into this are only engaging on a very shallow level. That is not to say I am enjoying the image of a baby cut from it's dead mother's womb (what a fucking stupid thing to suggest) but that practically, what is Israel supposed to do? Disappear?

PigletJohn · 25/07/2014 22:16

Or maybe ratchet up the level of violence higher and higher? Will that bring a solution?

ThunderbumsMum · 25/07/2014 22:20

Oh ffs pigletjohn give your trite comments a rest and bother to answer the question.

Springheeled · 25/07/2014 22:28

Have fun explaining the shelling of Beit Hanoun hospital, where many went after the attack on the school yesterday.
Full of terrorists, hospitals...

PigletJohn · 25/07/2014 22:29

"left Israel with little option but to behave the way it is"

"Israel has essentially been forced into this "

"what is Israel supposed to do? Disappear?"

Now, there's trite.

Israel will continue with its policy of expansion and violence, and will not take a path towards peace, and it's all the fault of those pesky Palestinians, and Israel has no alternative. Yep, heard it before.

killing and maiming people is not the path to peace and reconciliation. Do you suppose that the mothers or comrades of dead Israeli soldiers are minded to ease off on the hatred and violence? Do you suppose that Palestinian mothers and comrades are?

ThunderbumsMum · 25/07/2014 22:33

Right, so you're not going to answer the question then

Poppet1974 · 25/07/2014 22:37

Hasbara troll - google it Piglet

PigletJohn · 25/07/2014 22:50

Well that was interesting

I suppose it explains why we get the same few lines from numerous different posters.

Are they primed to accuse of anti-semitism any people who disagree with actions by the state of Israel, I wonder?

PigletJohn · 25/07/2014 22:53

Yes, Google tells me they are.

justasecond · 25/07/2014 23:14

That is exactly what is going on here and why I am not bothering to engage with them.

Backinthering · 25/07/2014 23:23

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mathanxiety · 25/07/2014 23:25

I agree with that FairPhyllis.

This is one of the points Emanuele Ottolenghi made in his Guardian piece that I linked earlier in the thread.

wordsmithsforever · 25/07/2014 23:39

I've emailed MN HQ about the strange activity on this thread - also not engaging further.

babbas · 25/07/2014 23:45

For a reasoned and educated discussion please join the other thread. It's very enlightening.

As for those saying israel has been forced into killing people? Well, that's exactly what the nazis said about hitler. We lost ancestors in Germany, and for years I felt personally aggrieved when people compared israels actions with the Holocaust. Suddenly things have changed. The parallels between this situation and ww2 is really frightening. My 92 year old great aunt summed it up for me today when she said 'not again and not in our name. How can this be happening again in my lifetime when the world swore never again?'

mathanxiety · 25/07/2014 23:46

Poppet:
^Oh dear Math, wrong again, the election results in Northern Ireland tell a very different story. Bobby Sands elected as an MP in '81, Sinn Fein has gone from strength to strength in terms of their electoral successes and now the second biggest party in Northern Ireland. To say that they lost the support of the communities is just ludicrous.
For them the war continues but not in the tradition way, they now have a significant foothold in the Republic of Ireland too. They have a strategy and it seems to be working for them.^

Maybe read what I actually posted and try not to be so quick with your patronising replies?

Or does the almost complete cessation of violence, racketeering, etc., make a difference to your assessment of the impact of MT's successful showdown with the PIRA?

Yes, Sinn Fein has been a runaway electoral success story, and that is exactly my point. Meanwhile, Catholic people in NI do not have to live with the threat of kneecapping and beatings and kidnappings and murder by the Provos. While discovering the joys of the ballot box it has also had to accept accountability to constituents -- all constituents and not merely their nationalist constituents. Another thing they have had to learn is that the voices of real, live people have to be listened to, and not the voices in their own heads that used to tell them all they thought they needed to know about what people wanted and how they wanted to get it.

They lost the support of the nationalist community for their campaign of violence. They lost the support of even the families of the hunger strikers. They were forced to listen to the moral authority of strikers' families, brave people who had had enough of seeing their children led into death.

mathanxiety · 25/07/2014 23:51

I see there is a serious attempt to close down discussion on this thread with accusations of politically connected trolling.

This is gross disregard of MN talk guidelines and represents a new low in censorship and bullying.

wannabestressfree · 26/07/2014 07:51

I second maths post. We aren't trolls but long term posters on here. So our opinion is not worth engaging with?

Pangurban · 26/07/2014 08:19

Math, the Palestinians probably don't want to be anyone's victim again either. They were thrown off their land (in living memory for some) to make way for (and expanding) Israel. They were displaced, rendered homeless and made aliens by Israel.

And it seems the ones that do remain in Israel have different treatment under the legal system.

mathanxiety · 26/07/2014 09:08

Of course they don't want to be victims. How is firing rockets into Israel (80% of which will be intercepted and shot down) going to ensure an end to the misery?

Backinthering · 26/07/2014 09:36

It won't. And not firing rockets won't end their misery. And nothing they do or don't do will end their misery until Israel decides to. Because they have all the power. And that is why many people are holding them accountable.

timbucktoo · 26/07/2014 09:49

I find it astonishing how anyone can sit back and watch grown men sob because their child has been killed, watch little boys on the beach blown up before your eyes, children with limbs torn to shreds because of shrapnel
watch hospitals, schools and homes destroyed, watch people live on food, medical and educational rations, see hundreds of innocent civilians killed in two weeks.

Imagine if someone built a wall around your village, town or city:stopped you from ever leaving, seeing your family or friends, imposed food, medical and educational rations on your family.......what would you do?

PigletJohn · 26/07/2014 10:15

An interesting but very simple question. How will bombs, shells and missiles on the Palestinians solve the problem?

TheSameBoat · 26/07/2014 11:32

m.youtube.com/watch?v=TOaxAckFCuQ

Very interesting vid lecture from an Israeli whose niece was killed by a Palestinian suicide bomber. He is vocal in his opposition to the Israeli regime.

runes · 26/07/2014 11:50

math Thatcher's successful showdown with the PIRA????? Wtf are you talking about? I am APPALLED at the Israeli apologists on this thread, and math in your attempts to draw parallels with NI you are coming across as an incoherent lunatic. You think the British were not harsh enough?? Yet you compare Zionists with Irish Republicans. Do you think that the British were not harsh enough on the Zionist terriorists who blew up the Royal David Hotel, or was that justified cos they were on your side? You claim that Maggie won against the PIRA and that the Catholic community shunned the Republican movement yet you acknowledge that Sinn Fein have increased their support massively and and are a runaway electoral success. Stop trying to use the situation in NI, which you are clearly not as informed about as you think you are, to justify the disgusting genocide against the Palestinian people.

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