with the terrible history Jews have, why is Israel behaving like this?

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I would have thought they would be showing more compassion for a repressed minority but the opposite is happening

and Netanyahu saying they told the Palestinians to leave because they were going to be fired on...where the bloody hell would they go to?? IF THEY COULD GO AT ALL

I think we have established that topbanana has no examples on this thread of anyone attacking jews for being jews

As horrible as that is, topbanana, it doesn't begin to compare to children and other civilians getting slaughtered in Gaza.
Plenty of Muslims in the UK and Europe will also know all about suffering Islamophobic attacks.

It's heartbreaking to see the suffering in Gaza on the news.

The imam of a Berlin mosque is under investigation after allegedly calling on Muslims to murder ‘Zionist Jews’.

Is the proposed murder of a Zionist Jew the murder of a Jew or a Zionist, PigletJohn?

I think we were talking about the civilian death toll in Gaza?

mathanxiety it suits apologists for Israel very well to complain about anti semitism but the fact is that vast numbers of people who have no problem with anyone at all on the basis of ANYTHING: race, religion, heritage, gender, sexuality, physical abilities- anything to do with identity whatsoEVER have a gigantic and intractable issue with people who murder and maim children, and those who seek to justify it.

Backinthering - I wasn't implying that anti-Semitism in Europe was worse than (or better than) civilian deaths in Gaza, or worse than (or better than) Islamophobic attacks on Muslims.

Aren't they all bad? Do we have to have a league table of badness? It all comes across as a bit Four Yorkshiremen-ish.

I posted this in response to your post, and Springheeled, which suggested that accusations of anti-Semitism among supporters of the Palestnian cause were unfounded. I wanted to make it clear that it was a lot more widespread than events at one synagogue. And that yes, genuine, thoughful supporters of Palestinian rights might want to be careful that they are supporting the rights of innocent Palestinian children and not, say an extremely violent group of Islamic extremists whose ideas they would not dream of letting go unchallenged if they were in the UK.

The death toll so far has almost equaled the number of Muslim Brotherhood (the parent body of Hamas) members that Egypt recently sentenced to death.

'A judge at a mass trial in Egypt has recommended the death penalty for 683 people - including Muslim Brotherhood leader Mohammed Badie.

The defendants faced charges over an attack on a police station in Minya in 2013 in which a policeman was killed.

However, the judge also commuted to life terms 492 death sentences out of 529 passed in March in a separate case.'

I think we are capable of making that distinction for ourselves topbanana! Anti Semites are no friends of mine and nor are Islamic fundamentalists.

What does not alter is that the actions of the Israeli govt and military are wrong.

They are behaving despicably and I cannot for the life of me understand why the media are being so coy

mathanxiety I fail to see your point. Are you or are you not in support of the murder of Gazan children?

No one I know who is marching or marched last week would walk with or near anyone with a swastika since usually we can be found protesting against the EDL, BNP and the like. If that's the case then that person or people would have had a very hard time from the rest of the crowd, believe me.

Are you part of some sort of 'rent-a-crowd' Springheeled?

Since you accuse me of being an apologist for Israel for complaining about anti-Semitism, maybe you would like to answer my question about the proposed murder of Zionist Jews -- are they Jews or Zionists?

Springheeled - you say that Islamic fundamentalists are no friends of yours. Seriously - does the character of Hamas not bother you? Do you not worry whether the interests of Palestinian children are best served by a Hamas government?

I personally don't feel that Hamas are helpful either in getting closer to a peaceful resolution to the conflict or in safeguarding their own people and dealing fairly with them. The lack of democratic accountability - that Hamas and Fatah seem to quite literally slug it out for power - also concerns me. I'm sure there are worse groups out there, but I remain unconvinced that the Palestinians' cause is best served by Hamas.

Springheeled - I don't think anyone is "in support of the murder of Gazan children".

Are you seriously expecting someone to go 'oh yes, I am'.

It seems a strangely emotive way to ask if they have sympathies also with the Israeli side. Which is all anyone has said.

It's a shame, because there are so many areas where Muslims and Jews have lots in common. Recent topics of interest to both in the news have been circumcision, which many countries in Europe are trying to ban, and which is practiced by men of both faiths, and religious slaughter (halal/kosher), which is also under threat across Europe.

These are both areas where Jews and Muslims have faced the same discrimination and have campaigned together, on the same side, for the right to continue these traditions.

There is no need for Jews and Muslims to view themselves as on opposite sides of the barrier. We're on the same side for many things.

TB - the interests of palestinian children are obviously of little concern to you. You are more worried about Hamas than israels pulverisation. I would have thought that the children of palestine have far more pressing concerns at the moment than if Hamas serve their interests.

My god you couldn't script some of the BS on this thread.

The op isn't about bloody Syria, or Russia, or Egypt or even British jews. The op did not ask for justifications as to why the palestinians deserve to be killed and who best can represent them. Honestly TB hardly any of your posts make any sense. And NO, no one could you accuse you of being too compassionate as you have stated.

Surprised to see supporters of genocide on mn.

Oh wait, it's not genocide they support, it's israels right to exist. And fuck everyone else's rights.

My point was that Islamic fundamentalists are not popular in Egypt either.

somewheresafe - I'm sorry I don't fit the stereotype you have in your head of someone who EITHER hates Palestinians and wishes to kill their children OR someone who loves Palestinian children and children in general and hates those horrid, brutal Israelis.

Actually, the real world is not black and white as you seem to imagine it. There are many shades of grey.

Although you cannot understand it, there are people who want the Israelis to be safe AND want the Palestinians to be safe.

As I said before, try to picture a win-win solution, not a win-lose. The latter is much more likely to be long lasting.

babbas - and your solution to the conflict is...?

Am I part of a rent a crowd mathanxiety? No, I just make the effort to protest against things I oppose- pesky things in the world like racism, fascism, genocide, war. Is it so hard to understand that people who oppose these things might be joining protests against the actions of Israel?

TB either you are on the side of palestinian or not. It's very black and white at the moment given that they are israels main target.

Sorry but there is no I love palestinian kids but israel has to bomb them as they are human shields grey area here.

Stop trying to portray yourself as someone who wants a win win for both sides. It's very clear who you are in support of.

Side of palestinian kids, that should read.

The solution to the conflict is exactly as Dr gilbert put it tonight to John snow - israel must stop bombing palestinian people and end the crippling inhumane siege of Gaza.

I think you'll find most citizens of the world agree this would end the conflict. Oh, except the supporters of genocide and apartheid.

And please no more 'where are Israelis supposed to go' they should have thought of that before stealing land and killing people. How dare they complain about Hamas. They created Hamas. They would crumble without Hamas. Hamas legitimises their brutality, their genocide. Hamas has become their reason d'etre.