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with the terrible history Jews have, why is Israel behaving like this?

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ssd · 20/07/2014 23:22

I would have thought they would be showing more compassion for a repressed minority but the opposite is happening

and Netanyahu saying they told the Palestinians to leave because they were going to be fired on...where the bloody hell would they go to?? IF THEY COULD GO AT ALL

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ShineSmile · 23/07/2014 14:21

To stand against Zionism, the disgusting terrorism perpetrated by Israel, to support Palestinians facing genocide, is not anti-Semitism.

Yruapita · 23/07/2014 15:42

Ayelet Shaked must be jumping for joy.

stopwar.org.uk/news/the-reason-why-israel-is-killing-so-many-pregnant-women-in-gaza#.U8_ItGK9KSM

Yruapita · 23/07/2014 15:48

With Israeli regime wondering how to stop Hamas throwing rockets, one of the professors has come up with the sick idea of raping palestinian women as a deterrent. Its the only way, he says. Israeli regime kills children and babies - its the only way, they say. Messed up, sickening views.

Link.

www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.606542

mathanxiety · 23/07/2014 16:15

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PigletJohn · 23/07/2014 16:19

Your abuse is unwarranted and you should be ashamed of yourself.

I was not alive in WW2 so I have no connection with the long-dead people you have looked up.

Let me see you try find a post of mine that attacks Jews for being Jews.

mathanxiety · 23/07/2014 16:31

LOL @ 'long-dead people'.

Does length of time dead make a difference?
If so then why did you mention deserted Arab villages? Many of the people who lived there are presumably dead a while.

Do you think associating yourself with people engaged in genocide is a bad thing?

Or is is only a bad thing if you decide it is Israel that is engaged in genocide?

PigletJohn · 23/07/2014 16:34

I see you're failing to respond.

Your filthy abuse is shameful. Obviously you have no shame and take pleasure in making it up.

Applefallingfromthetree2 · 23/07/2014 17:17

If you kick a dog or beat a child they may respond by either being withdrawn and depressed or aggressive and confrontational. It's unlikely that they will respond with reasoned and caring behaviour. Israel too is displaying a basic response through fear and what they see as threats to their existence. While this may be a reason it can't excuse Israel's bad treatment of ordinary Palestinians. It is particularly cruel to take more Palestinian land and to restrict Palestine's ability to trade.

Someone mentioned unthread of white men drawing lines on maps. It suited Europe at the time to create Israel and displace Palestinians. We certainly bear some responsibility.

mathanxiety · 23/07/2014 17:28

PigletJohn:
I repeat 'Do you think associating yourself with people engaged in genocide is a bad thing?'

I ask because you seem to indicate that history can be selectively brushed under the carpet if it suits your purposes. ['long-dead people']

You seem to hold a dim view of genocide, so surely those who willingly and actively collaborate with and encourage genocide should be held in contempt? Surely the length of time that has passed since any particular genocide is of no relevance when it comes to judging genocide? The dead are still dead after all. Passage of time has made no difference to them, has it?

Surely if the descendants of collaborators with genocide hold the exact same opinions of a particular ethnic group as their forebears and their associates and comrades did, and have never wavered from it, then the time elapsed since the end of WW2 is immaterial?

Eagerly awaiting your clarification on the subject of genocide...

By way of response to you - report my posts if you see fit.

wordsmithsforever · 23/07/2014 18:09

100 Palestinian children now dead. Apparently stopping the war depends on John Kerry being able to "rein in Netanyahu". See www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-palestinian-dead-now-number-500--but-israel-fights-on-9619901.html

wordsmithsforever · 23/07/2014 18:18

Correction: it's 149 children now and literally 'no safe place for civilians' in Gaza, according to the UN

See www.smh.com.au/world/no-safe-place-for-civilians-in-gaza-says-un-as-child-death-toll-reaches-149-20140723-zvvz3.html

topbanana1 · 23/07/2014 18:19

And on a far more positive note:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2702674/Picture-Arab-Jewish-American-couple-kissing-sweeps-internet-mixed-faith-couples-join-call-peace.html

Because actually we can disagree, be different and not hate each other.

Backinthering · 23/07/2014 18:26

Mathanxiety, none of what you have said suggests you have any concern for either the current massacre taking place against the Palestinians, or for their future.
Israel does not have greater rights to land, peace, safety and self-determination than the Palestinians. Well, actually, the sad reality is that they do, but that's wrong - it's a human right's violation.
Also - just saw some footage of the funeral of one of the soliders' funerals and heard his sister speak. She was clearly American. Why are Americans fighting in foreign conflicts?

topbanana1 · 23/07/2014 18:43

Backinthering - I'm guessing her brother moved to Israel. People do emigrate, you know.

Why do you think people round the world marched in support of the Palestinians this weekend?

justasecond · 23/07/2014 18:45

mathanxiety please can you show us where exactlty PigletJohn has made anti semitic comments?

topbanana1 · 23/07/2014 18:46

wordsmithfoever - would this have anything at all to do with Hamas' decisions to store weapons in schools?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2702485/Is-Hamas-using-human-shields-Gaza-UN-finds-TWO-stashes-rockets-hidden-school-makeshift-housing-3-000-displaced-Palestinians.html

justasecond · 23/07/2014 18:50

Topbanana - there are Americans fighting for the IDF.
www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/22/us-born-soldiers-killed-in-gaza-among-thousands-israel-lone-soldiers/

Springheeled · 23/07/2014 18:59

topbanana are you enjoying finding bonkers 'justifications'? I suppose the dead children on the beach had rockets in their football and the disabled victims had them in their wheelchairs and the patients in intensive care had them up their gowns. Ps disused schools. Oh and bombing UN refuges has not been beyond the IDF in the past.
Keep blaming Hamas though- funny how the Israeli govt are saying it's not dangerous to fly around their airspace or visit Israel and yet using the rockets that bounce right off their dome as an excuse for slaughtering kids

Springheeled · 23/07/2014 19:01

Ps topbanana people all over the world marched for Palestine and will do so in London again on Sat because they abhor Israel's war crimes as all people with a speck of humanity do.

wordsmithsforever · 23/07/2014 19:10

Topbanana - my concern is that specific reports like that (and similar in the past) have given the IDF (in their minds, strategy and actions) a very general, open season on Palestinian children, such as in the case of the boys on the beach. Did you see Mark Regev with Jon Snow - he didn't even apologise! Practically shrugged his shoulders and trotted out the same old human shield line for which the Independent says there is little evidence - not no evidence - but little evidence. There is no excuse. Some pinpoint operation!

And the IDF has in fact been known to use human shields itself - nabbing Palestinians off the street and getting them to go through combat areas they suspect are booby trapped - which an Israeli judge slammed - which shows to me that, thank God, not all the state's institutions have been taken over by this madness.

And yes the DM pics are great - scanned in haste.

FunLovinBunster · 23/07/2014 19:14

I have Jewish ancestry, but have not chosen to follow Judaism. I do not find any of PigletJohn's posts to say anything derogatory about Jewish people or the Jewish faith.
Interesting that today politicians are talking of Israel committing war crimes during this latest offensive. Hopefully common sense will prevail and Israeli government plus the illegal settlers will be prosecuted in ICJ.

bakingnovice · 23/07/2014 19:20

TB and math - your obsessive accusations of anti semitism are ridiculous. Can you not understand that this not about Jews per se. It's about israel committing war crimes and genocide. How is this defendable by you? How can you accuse piglet of being anti semitic? I'm Jewish and I agree with all his posts.

Ffs stop playing the jew card. It's unsavoury. People are dying. Hamas. Children bombed. Hamas. Pregnant women blown apart. Human shields. Babies pulverised. Hamas. Families murdered during dinner. Hamas.

Can you not see that there is no justification for apartheid. None. Nothing you say will justify it. Gaza is equivalent to the war saw ghetto at the moment. There is nowhere safe for civilians. You come across as arrogant and without compassion.

wordsmithsforever · 23/07/2014 19:21

Sorry can I just rephrase that - I'm not suggesting the IDF is, in way justified due to the specific reports. I am saying that it is using specific reports like that to spin/ cover its policy, which I believe is pretty much anything goes, military campaign wise, and pretty much terrorising a population that has nowhere to flee to.

unrealhousewife · 23/07/2014 19:25

I hope that Hamas get prosecuted for using human shields. They've been doing it for years and That's the primary cause of their bloodloss. It really is not Israels fault that they hide weapons in schools and hospitals and try and tunnel underground for miles in order to attack Israelis. Until they stop that what are Israel supposed to do? Wait til they are blown to bits in their own beds?

That's why the Jews are doing this. It is called defence.

wordsmithsforever · 23/07/2014 19:27

springheeled: "funny how the Israeli govt are saying it's not dangerous to fly around their airspace or visit Israel and yet using the rockets that bounce right off their dome as an excuse for slaughtering kids"

Yes, this.