Ukip 'Most Favourably Regarded Party'

[claig]

Is there a quiet revolution going on despite the insults aimed at UKIP and their voters by some people in other parties who refer to good people as nutters, fruitcakes and racists?

How has this happened, how has UKIP become so popular despite the wishes of the great and the good and the TV propaganda of the paid-for media puppets?

I am bafffled and

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/18/ukip-most-favourably-regarded_n_4623876.html

Agree, Faye. Total idiot.

He was a Tory and he left and joined UKIP.

TorrentialLorraine, you are right. The huge majority are people who have had enough of the lies and the spin and the failure to listen to ordinary people.

That is why UKIP is now the party seen most favourably by the public.
The public have had enough and the spinners are still spinning and don't even see what is happening right before their eyes.

I think the people thinking of voting UKIP are rather like us. DH is a lawyer (as indeed is Nigel Farage I think), I am a professional. My parents are voting - retired businessman and arty wife. We know a few tbf and they aren't dissimilar to us. I have voted Conservative since 1979 but it doesn't stand for my values any more. I want a party that actively allows upward social mobility and that is what Labour and the Conservatives have allowed to be destroyed.

After hard economic times, history well records the rise of extremist parties promising something ‘different’, but very short on detail, so they usually focus the peoples hate on an ethnic group or two, claiming ‘nationalism’- although I don’t think Ukip are looking for a European War.

Immigration aside, the focus on coming out of the EU as the be and end all of UK prosperity, is a wider focus, with an additional slant on ‘nationalism’, designed to attract people that really don’t think that much; you know, not very clever, but can lift heavy things.

Full marks to Ukip for attracting these people, as I can’t think of an extreme right wing party in Europe that COULD be led my ex oil/energy trader from the City, promising a 31p flat rate of tax/NICs to help the rich.

Clearly the earlier claim on here that Ukip supporters “don’t care about policies”, tells a huge story about their voters, but the claim that other party’s LIE and Ukip don’t, it is unbelievable that their supporters, IN THEIR KEY ISSUE, have fallen for the claim that Ukip GUARANTEES to bring the UK out of the EU.

ONE MORE TIME UKIP SUPPORTERS, HOW IS UKIP GOING TO BRING THE UK OUT OF THE EU, IF MEP’S CAN NOT CHANGE UK LAW?????????????

UKIP is not extreme right wing.
They want the return of national sovereignty and the right for Parliament to make our own laws rather than having many laws imposed by an unelected bureaucratic elite.

Of course UKIP voters care about policies or they wouldn't turn out to vote. But some care only about a few policies and others care about more policies. People have the right to decide what concerns them and what they consider important. It is true that most UKIP voters don't believe in the "green crap" of the Tory modernisers and prefer to have laws made by our own elected Parliament and that is what democracy is all about.

'designed to attract people that really don’t think that much; you know, not very clever, but can lift heavy things.'

This is the elitist thinking of the members of the metropolitan elite who believe they are above the ordinary people who work hard and lift things and who didn't go to Oxbridge or Eton. But democracy is about "we the people" and we will vote for people who do not despise us and look down on us and who feel that they are intellectually superior to us. They are not superior to us intellectually or morally. The common sense of the people works for the common good of the people and the puppets of the plutocrats will fall as their disdain for ordinary people becomes more and more evident.

'HOW IS UKIP GOING TO BRING THE UK OUT OF THE EU'

Wait and see. The tide is turning, the puppets' lies are being revealed and the people's voice will be heard. The European elections will cause an earthquake all over Europe. Parties are now resisting the rule of the plutocrats and their undemocratic system of centralised control that strips the sovereignty of nations and disenfranchises ordinary people by imposing a democratic deficit on them alongside their trade deficit and austerity measures.

How will we leave Europe? We will leave it because the tide is turning, because the people want it. The plutocrats will call on their puppets to hold firm and stem the tide, but just as with their "green crap", all of their other "crap" will start to crumble. The marionettes on their strings will say "cut the crap" and it won't just be the "green crap".

It's over. It's only just begun. The Euro elections are the beginning of the end for the lies and spin of the plutocrats' puppets and the return to democracy for the people.

'that COULD be led my ex oil/energy trader from the City, promising a 31p flat rate of tax/NICs to help the rich.'

At least he had a real job, not one of these "special advisers" in a publicly funded quango or so-called 'think tank' who is straight out of Oxford with a PPE.

Farage has worked in the real world, he drinks pints in a real pub, just like the ordinary people. Not only could he drink the puppets under the table, he can outwit them in debate because he has worked with the people on the streets unlike the privileged puppets in their ivory towers who disdain the people who "lift things" as they work for the benefit of society.

It's over. The times they are a-changing'. The answer is not blowing in the windmills. Cut the crap, don't fall for the puppets' trap.

We'll be voting UKIP and we have solar panels and an electric car. DC promised a referendum on Europe and it didn't materialise. We will leave Europe legally when there is a referendum and the government is given a mandate to leave.

I totally supported a confederation of European states bearing in mind the original 6 or 9 states and when it provided strength against the Iron Curtain. I DO NOT support a Federation of Europe and never shall.

Oh and I have just noticed the correlation between DC the man and DC the MNet acronym :)

NeartheWindmill……Re “Cameron not offering a referendum”, maybe if you used a bit of math you would work out that with 650 seats in parliament, with 303 or so seats, the Tories cannot form a majority to FORCE a referendum automatically – and that would be WHY we have a coalition – and it has to be ‘negotiated’ with a pro EU Lib Dems..

The funny thing was, with around 26,000 votes across several key marginal seats in the 2010, that was a key reason the Tories did not get a small majority – so Ukip stopped the Referendum, then, and as the electoral boundaries (voters needed) are ‘fixed’ so the Tories need to be around 8% IN FRONT of pro EU Labour in the polls to FORM a majority in 2015, Ukip MAY STOP the next referendum as a 2015 Labour government COULD overturn a referendum scheduled in this parliament.

This is why Ukip, who accuses other party’s of lying HAS TO TELL THE VOTERS HOW THEY WILL BRING THE UK OUT OF THE EU, without a majority in the 2015 general election – and why they’re wasting their time voting for Ukip MEP’s in 2014.

Farage is just a failed Tory 'wannabe' on steroids, washed down with beer.

So Farage’s job trading/speculating on energy prices is “A REAL JOB”????lol

I thought this was how he (Farage) made his money, with £2 million in MEP expenses.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/may/24/mps-expenses-ukip-nigel-farage

So if one follows that argument one must continually vote for no change then. One we desperately need change; two many labour MPs disagree with europe and would have voted for a referendum on principle and conmviction. Cameron didn't need the Libs to deliver that.

If one takes your argument further you might just as well say the Labour Party shpould never have got off the ground because for an election or three it diluted the power of the Torys and Liberals .

Where's ytour seat - sounds like you are running scared to me.

Farage drinks pints in a real pub... While he's locked in for his own safety after visiting Scotland and being called a bawbag

Ah that memory has made me chuckle

Things, I don't think Farage was chuckling at the time. I'm not sure he saw the funny side of it - he was only trying to slake his thirst and down another pint. He didn't deserve that, not revolutionary socialists. He's used to being treated almost as a demi-God down sarf.

I must admit, I felt a bit sorry for him - a good man trying to do a good job had the misfortune of bumping into a crowd of revolutionary socialists and quite possiby a few climate change activists to boot.

And I must admit I felt a bit sorry for him when he put a thumbs up and waved to the socialists when they called him a "bawbag". He didn't know what that vile term really meant, how could he? He is never called that down sarf.

Well having seen some of the memes and comments aimed at osbourne, cameron and ids I think he's going to have to grow a thicker hide.
Yanoo, in case UKIP gets into like, power or anything - he'll get a lot worse than that

Sorry still chuckling, not at the incident, he must have been scared and that's not nice, but the word bawbag just made me titter like a schoolgirl

I wish the right would vote tactically as much as the left does; I feel that small-c conservatives who think there is no difference between the Tories and Labour need their head read.

I would prefer more free market and liberal economic policies; lower, flatter taxes than the government are offering, and deeper cuts to welfare. I prefer a harder line on EU and ECHR nonsense than Cameron is willing to provide. I want unlimited skilled immigration, and zero unskilled immigration, with illegals deported full stop, without any recourse to the courts except whether to judge whether they are legally here or not. I want greater resources put into our armed forces, and fewer calls upon them to stoke the egos our of political elite. I want the socialist shadow state, whether it be in the BBC, quangos, unions, local education authorities, or charities, completely decimated.

It's true that Cameron isn't exactly thrilling me with his prospectus on the above. But he is a damn sight better than Miliband would ever be.

I'm very happy to vote UKIP in order to move the Tories to a more working-class Tory, Thatcherite position - especially in elections like for the European Parliament - but never at the cost of Labour being elected. I think letting Labour in is very dangerous, and those who say 'they are all the same' somehow need to be persuaded to think a little about whether they really believe this.

It's true that Cameron isn't exactly thrilling me with his prospectus on the above. But he is a damn sight better than Miliband would ever be.

I agree with this bit. But at the moment it very much feels like we're going to have to to elect the least worst choice rather than the best man for the job.

Listed under Unskilled Job Vacancy; 'No experience required'?

No one EVER agrees with all the policies of a single political party, so it is always the least repulsive front man and party, in an Ugly Party Contest, where voters tend to look at their record in power across several key issues - nothing new there.

Claig. I've been to many UKIP conferences over the years, many of the people there are working class, middle class, quite a few are from ethnic minority backgrounds.
One thing I have noticed is that quite a few (a lot) are public school educated. Why this is I don't know. All i know is that for many of them (and me) the main political parties don't seem to represent the person on the street or their views.
Whatever is said about UKIP and a lot has been said, a lot of it negative, it won't stop people voting UKIP. It looks like they will slaughter all in the EU elections.
Last general election they polled 950.000 votes, surely it will be more this time, they went from a membership of 16.000 at the last election to now over 30.000.
Farage is not a career politician and that has helped him in politics. The Tories have sneered at their "own' (swivel eyed loons) and this has enraged many who have left the Conservative party in droves.
It will be interesting to see what happens at a general election.

I have never ever seen shaven headed BNP type supporters. The nearest you'll get to baldness is the deputy leader Paul Nuttal and he has two degrees and was a lecturer, (although some may not think it, as he comes from Liverpool and fits a convenient stereotype).

ironman, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a UKIP Euro election landslide and some well-deserved change.