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Ukip 'Most Favourably Regarded Party'

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claig · 18/01/2014 23:08

Is there a quiet revolution going on despite the insults aimed at UKIP and their voters by some people in other parties who refer to good people as nutters, fruitcakes and racists?

How has this happened, how has UKIP become so popular despite the wishes of the great and the good and the TV propaganda of the paid-for media puppets?

I am bafffled and Confused

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/18/ukip-most-favourably-regarded_n_4623876.html

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Isitmebut · 04/02/2014 01:45

Spinflight….your (Ukips) domestic policies are changing on the hoof, usually picking unpopular coalition and Labour policies, how politically brave that is,

How can the UK electorate trust a rag tag political party that can disown a whole general election manifesto?

“UKIP leader Nigel Farage has disowned the party's entire 2010 general election manifesto - which he helped launch - branding it "drivel".
news.sky.com/story/1200525/nigel-farage-disowns-ukip-manifesto-as-drivel


Ukip even tried to hide their past record, more than the main three parties - before farage had to 'come out'.
www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-15/u-k-parties-prepare-for-2015-by-erasing-web-histories.html

As to “failed parties” you have seen, I suggest you pay more attention.

The history books do not show the Conservative administration from 1979 to 1997 as a failure, especially as it INHERITED an economic basket case from Old Labour and PASSED to New Labour an economy that grew for around 26 consecutive quarters, and was the strongest economy in Europe – only to get it back again in 2010 as an economic basket case whose GDP FELL more than Europe under Labour, and is NOW growing faster than most G7 countries, including those in Europe.

And frankly if your glorious leader is disowning Ukip’s 2010 general election theories/efforts, e.g. a 32p flat rate of tax/Nics for the rich, YOU are in no position to judge other political parties, especially the record of the Conservatives.

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Spinflight · 04/02/2014 03:20

I think everyone is in a position to judge the record of the subreptile tories, and it isn't a pretty picture.

As long as they get their donations and directorships in big business they really don't care who really pays. Economic growth for the super rich doesn't really tickle my fancy I'm afraid.

I actually rather agree with Nigel on the 2010 manifesto, Lord Pearson was honest enough to say that he wasn't up to the job of leading UKIP and I agree with him. Frankly he almost destroyed the party and didn't appear to understand it's beliefs and members.

Case in fact was his proposal to ban the burka ( which is rather an odd thing for a libertarian party to espouse in my opinion ). Worse though was his apparently unsolicited offer to the tories for an electoral pact.

Forty percent of the membership resigned overnight and those that remained didn't exactly bust a gut ( if I may generalise ) in campaigning for the 2010 General Election. Which partly explains our poor showing.

I was otherwise engaged in a hostile and sandy place so missed it all, though it took some time for membership figures to recover...

You do hit on an important issue however, that of trust. Given that the vast majority of our elected scumbags have never had a proper job who the hell would trust them with running anything?

UKIP believes in the people, the rights and opinions of the common man - compared to the outright contempt of the tories or the 'count the votes and discount the views' policy of labour. That applies to policy too and as a democratic party anyone can contribute to policy proposals. That is what has and is happening.

Frankly however no tory, libdem or labour shill could really claim their 2010 manifestos were anything other than a pack of bare faced lies. At least we're honest enough to say that we got it wrong....

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Isitmebut · 05/02/2014 19:53

Spin…as you clearly know nothing about political history, I have no interest in either educating you or correcting your ignorance, after all Ukip supporter after Ukip supporter e.g Claig, says they don’t care about policies.

Similar for the economy, as if you think that all the 1.4 million new jobs since 2010 were given to the ‘super rich’, or that the Private Sector pays for the Public Sector and important services bill, I can’t understand why Ukip allow you to post.

As for party donations and more sad class clichés, please list Ukip’s donors and backers, lets see how many of them are not rich business men, probably ex Tories with dodgy motives for power.

As for “what Ukip believe in”, honesty and trust hardly goes hand in hand with General Election manifestos that are issues and rubbished before the next one, and an outright lie that a vote for Ukip will bring the UK out of the EU. In other words Ukip is THE Con Party, and I don’t mean Con-servative.

Re not having ‘proper jobs’ Prescott was a ships steward, Johnson a postman, others who cant string a sentence together were also previously employed and many Labour MP are funded by trade unions with proper jobs to guide their policies, and look what they left.

But funny enough a government shouldn’t need ‘toffs’ and brains to work out how unbalanced their economy was, that benefit bill shouldn’t be rocketing up during a global boom, that swing door immigration does not improve the job prospects and pay rates of the lower paid voters they pretended to represent. But it has taken brains to make the tough decisions to get us out of the mess.

As for the other three other party manifestos, I can hardly comment on Labours as they REFUSED to tell us, 3-years into the crisis, other than all government budgets would be cut (including the NHS) what spending that they would cut, or where the extra taxes to pay for it, would fall, and they were in government at the time. All those ‘goodies’ were going to be sprung AFTER they won the 2010 election, again how politically brave, no State funeral for Brown.

Both the Conservatives and Lib Dems in coalition were in no position to follow all of their manifestos as they had to horse trade for the agreement within the first week.

Ukips 2010 policies like reducing the Public Sector employee levels down to 1997 levels (a cut of over 1 million) and REDUCING Public Sector pensions to private sector levels, were just to get votes at the time, very similar to every policy on the hoof Farage has uttered since – but as Ukip fan-atics say, they don’t care if their party flip flops their policies, they are ‘different’, and clearly hope that “the common man” is just as ignorant as them.

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claig · 05/02/2014 20:46

Isitover, I don't represent all UKIP voters, just myself.

From your posts, I sense that Central Office is rattled, and it seems they may have called on their best and finest to stem the tide. I smell the whiff of desperation and of almost certain defeat, a bit like 1997.

But Isitover, it is over, open your eyes and smell the coffee.
You're flogging a dead horse - the Tory Party and the Bullingdon Club.
It's over. It wasn't fun while it lasted, but now the die is casted.

There is a Wythenshawe by-election next week up North. Watch the results, but get some stiff whiskeys in at Central Office, you're gonna need them.

As the famous Dutch football commentator once said
"Maggie Thatcher, your boys took one helluva beating"

They say history repeats itself. This is starting to look like 1997. It's over, Isitover, and there is clear blue sky in Heaven.

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claig · 05/02/2014 21:02

Isitover, you've got more "facts" than a pub quiz time with a crib sheet, but they don't address the right question.

Central Office should study their Dickens. They are like Gradgrind who bullied, hectored and chided the children

“Now, what I want is Facts. Teach these boys and girls nothing but Facts. Facts alone are wanted in life. Plant nothing else, and root out everything else. You can only form the minds of reasoning animals upon Facts; nothing else will ever be of any service to them.”

But we don't care, we aren't listening. Because we know they play fast and loose with the "facts".

It's not "Facts alone are wanted in life."
It's values and morals and ethics that are wanted in life.

It's no use begging to us now that you need us. You ignored us for years and some say that some of you even called some of your own constituency workers "swivel-eyed loons". Well now you have to pay the price and reap what you sowed.

A Bullingdon Club member is not above the people. That is the lesson they will have to learn.

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Spinflight · 05/02/2014 22:12

I can only speak for myself Isitmebut, however I can assure you that I do care about policies. Saying that, if I did not, I suspect I would still vote UKIP. :)

Hmm first one is easy... 1.4 million new jobs of which 80% will be in London, 90% of which will have gone to foreign workers. I'll be generous and say that only the remainder are zero hour workfare or minimum wage. All of which only makes money for the super rich, as per my point above.

The only major donor that I know of is Stuart Wheeler, our treasurer. I do know that the vast majority of our funding comes from the membership, the many begging letters I have received from Nigel confirm as much. If all UKIP members have dipped into their own pockets to the same extent as myself then good on them. I'm not a rich man, not even a comfortably off one so I have to balance my kid's future against my desire and need for change.

Not only funding of course, whilst the old, failed, parties have newspapers and broadcasters tripping over their every word we are frozen out whenever possible. Hence our members have to deliver leaflets and talk to people. The odds are outrageous frankly, 300,000+ liblabcons ( very many of them paid councillors and activists) plus the entire media against the membership, which is little more than a couple of pub tables worth in each constituency. Go figure.

How do you figure that our policy on the EU is a lie? I think you are on your own there my friend, of all the strange and twisted things said about UKIP I think you win the cherry....

I'm afraid that I don't see much in the way of brains in the tory party, granted I realise that the tories think they're bright ( partly in a getting away with it sense), however no-one else does. Please list these brains of yours, should be good for a laugh if nothing else. :)

The idea that spoilt toffs whose only qualification is either working for Daddy's company or having burned £50 notes in front of beggars with their chums to show their contempt for the common man, the law and common decency make good representatives of the people is truly bizarre. How do you consider that those with no experience of a normal life should make decisions which affect the lives of the normal people?

I don't claim to have brains, but I do have principles and therefore recognise those that do not. Whether it be Aitken on the verge of wielding his sword of justice or Major knocking off Eggwina whilst preaching family values, sleaze will forever be a tory word association game. Granted the elected of all colours are now just as bad as each other, however there is no parallel in any other industry for the systematic fraud, deceit and scumbaggery which infests this rump parliament.

UKIP isn't an outlier, merely a herd of people of all political persuasions who want to be at the head of the queue to destroy the defective thinking and values which represent our politicians.

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Isitmebut · 06/02/2014 13:20

Again, soooooooooo many Ukip words from the two of you (blah-in-stereo), but strip away the lame class clichés of a political party history of the Conservatives shows turned around the UK’s economy/prospects from this in 1979 (see below), left an excellent economy for Labour to ruin in 1997 – and the facts of the reforms/economic turn around since 2010, and in reality any comparison to the Ukip wannabes who can’t FIND a policy, never mind govern with them, is embarrassing, don’t you think?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent

When the Trade Unions were either run by the Soviet Union, or thought they could ‘just’ claim money to take on the government.
www.spectator.co.uk/features/3665728/we-came-close-to-losing-our-democracy-in-1979/

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-448602/How-Scargill-begged-Kremlin-fund-miners-fight-Thatcher.html

Only in UK politics is ‘class’ is used by opposition parties whose ideology has proven to fail whilst in government (or in Ukip’s case, failed Tories that have sod all to offer themselves) as an argument to vote for them, to keep out the reformers who took tough decisions to sort out the nation – rather than blaming those who ran britain’s industry into the ground.

See what UK car worker mentality was taking on the strike free Japanese car industry and strong German Unions that understood a businesses problems and worked with the bosses, for the good of all.
news.bbc.co.uk/local/liverpool/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8401000/8401200.stm

As I’ve said before, in the real world away from failed ideology, politicians get State Funerals for rescuing a nation from disaster, not steering the nation into one.

Now do you realise how utterly STUPID your mantra is that Conservatives have failed this nation and that your Ukip rabble have ANY answers to this nations problems; whether you find a policy or not? Jokers.

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claig · 06/02/2014 13:31

'Now do you realise how utterly STUPID your mantra is that Conservatives have failed this nation and that your Ukip rabble have ANY answers to this nations problems; whether you find a policy or not? Jokers.'

By 'Jokers', I take it you are referring to the Bullingdon Club.

Farage is spot on again. He has just said what the people think. This is hot off the newswires.

'But Mr Farage insisted it was not enough. He said: ‘Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that a government’s primary duty is to the well-being of its own citizens . Charity begins at home and it is not mean-spirited to say that, it is just basic common sense.

‘The amount of damage caused by the floods and storms across a large swathe of the south west and other regions too is colossal.

‘Yet the Government’s response is both lethargic and inadequate. People would be forgiven for thinking that they don’t really care and that ordinary British families are not their priority .’


www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2552969/Ukips-Nigel-Farage-calls-foreign-aid-budget-used-help-flood-hit-communities.html

Will there be a public inquiry about this? Will the great and the good be asked to explain themselves and the decision to spend millions on a 'bird sanctuary' and not on dredging?

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claig · 06/02/2014 13:34

I wish Gove was in charge and sorted out some of these quangos stuffed full of New Labour types.

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Isitmebut · 06/02/2014 13:42

That's one typically opportunist Ukip policy, only another 400 pages of "drivel" to go by 2015, to match Ukips 2010 efforts.

"Bullingdon Club" versus the Conservative record above, grow up, Farage is a ex city oil speculator, probably driving up the energy prices for consumers....do you really want to play pathetic 'name calls' when it's policies while in government?

Stones and glass houses.

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claig · 06/02/2014 13:49

There are still some good conservatives out there, but they are being let down, just as their voters were let down. The Spectator has it right, but is there anyone apart from Farage who can put things right?

'From 2000 onwards, under the leadership of a Labour peeress, Baroness Young of Old Scone, this reluctance to dredge and to maintain the pumping stations became a deliberate ideology, designed to give priority to the interests of ‘habitat’ and ‘biodiversity’ over those of protecting the Levels as farmland. Lady Young is famously said to have remarked that she wanted to see ‘a limpet mine attached to every pumping station’.'

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Steadily, the Environment Agency has become a law unto itself. The idea behind its creation was to allow it to operate free from political interference. But, as Dennis Sewell argues on pages 18 and 19, the reverse has been true. They now form a deeply politicised government in exile, with an incompetent but self-revering hierarchy that voters cannot dislodge.

Nothing has more vividly conveyed the failure of the Environment Agency during this crisis than the lamentable public performances of its current chairman, the former Labour culture secretary Lord (Chris) Smith. His weak, half-shifty, half-arrogant interviews have shown him up to be a man wholly out of touch with the reality of the havoc his agency’s policies have wreaked. His blatherings about a choice between protecting ‘front rooms or farmland’ sums up his failure to understand the countryside, and the fact that most people have looked after both for generations.

He is due to step down shortly, which is a shame: he ought to be fired for rank incompetence. But the reckoning should not stop there. It is now clear that the Environment Agency has become a threat to the countryside it was set up to serve. It ought to be dismantled, and its responsibilities shared out among smaller bodies which are much more obviously fit for purpose."


www.spectator.co.uk/the-week/leading-article/9131442/floods-of-incompetence/

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slug · 06/02/2014 14:31

Are these the same conservatives who were once UKIP spokesmen?

It's an interesting business model Conservatives (or UKIP) the party of business?

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claig · 06/02/2014 14:45

None of us had ever heard of those conservatives.

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slug · 06/02/2014 15:05

Even though they were the UKIP spokesman for the Commonwealth? He was quite active in the media and on the telly.

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claig · 06/02/2014 15:11

I didn't know that UKIP had a spokesman for the Commonwealth or whether Labour or Conservatives have one either. I doubt most voters knew either.

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Isitmebut · 06/02/2014 16:11

Claig...there is clearly quite a lot you don't know about Ukip..but don't worry yourself, Mr Bhutto was either a Farage gimmick, or they were flirting with the idea of kidnapping voters.lol

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Spinflight · 06/02/2014 23:16

Never heard of him either, but David Cameron has...

order-order.com/2014/02/04/leaked-emails-reveal-ukip-kidnapper-is-tory-membernewnight-scoop-missed-pm-welcoming-bhutto-to-the-party/

Even wrote him a personal letter!

"left an excellent economy for Labour to ruin in 1997"

In London maybe..

"and the facts of the reforms/economic turn around since 2010"

London is indeed doing very well...

" to keep out the reformers who took tough decisions to sort out London"

Fixed that one for you..

"rather than blaming those who ran London's industry into the ground."

And that one...

"As I’ve said before, in the real world ( London? ) away from failed ideology ( provincial swivel eyed loons or the Turnip Taliban? Not right thinking Londoners that's for sure!) , politicians get State Funerals ( In London! ) for rescuing London from disaster, not steering London into one."

We don't think that the tories have failed London, however there is one or two people who live outside the South East who thought their elected representatives ( more than half of whom are from London ) might occasionally do something for them.

This hasn't been the case since 1979 oddly enough. You appear to be rather proud of an economic policy which has been a disaster for everywhere but London.

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Isitmebut · 07/02/2014 12:45

Spin....or just total political/historical ignorance. As mentioned elsewhere, THESE are the Conservative core COUNTRY WIDE policies that gave Labour an excellent economic inheritance, to wreck - by mainly going in the opposite direction - hence the distinct choices at the next general election.


“On Tory policies, silly micro issues just prove Ukip posters ignorance of BIG PICTURE stuff that defines a successful country. "Personal income tax rates in 1979 started at 32p, then 68p I believe. Tax on unearned income (from investments) was 90 odd % and should any business manage to make a profit in the pre Thatcher economic death spiral of 20% inflation/wages, the Corporate Tax Rate was 50% - and all these come down over Conservative administrations to stimulate MORE tax growth, so they are the PROVEN party of lower taxes for all.*

Re the taxes for the rich, they are paying MORE under the Coalition, than Labour in 2010 OR Ukip, who proposed a Flat rate income tax and national Insurance of 32p, to help the oil traders of the world. The raising of top rate tax to 50p after 13-years in office by Labour, they budgeted would bring in £4-5 billion, brought in £100 million – and as one of the highest rates in the world, discouraged inward investment who’s company decision makers would have to pay it.

As for the size of the tax sapping State, which should be around 40% of any country’s economy but became 54% under Labour, the Tories from Thatcher on have believed it should be as big as it NEEDS to be – so ‘the people’ keep more of their own earnings in order to save or afford their own choices e.g. private pensions.

Conservative administration records show, they are PRO lower taxes & increased savings and ANTI uncontrolled public sector hiring (1 million from 1997 to 2010) anti uncontrolled/unsustainable rising benefits through a boom in employment, anti uncontrolled immigration, anti dumbing down childrens education, anti 90% of police at any time sitting on bums in stations, anti C.Diff germs in hospitals, anti annually living beyond this countries means, anti National debt and anti socialist politicians who believed in ALL of the above.

Those basic economic building blocks, proven to grow an economy, is what Conservative politicians have proven whilst in office, and that clearly uniformed Ukip ‘members’ ridiculously call ‘letting the nation down’, while without even one seat in Westminster, amateurishly and opportunistically, flip flopping policies to pretend they are an ‘alternative’ to Conservative success stories.

Look, I don’t agree with everything the Tories do, BUT IN REALITY, come 2015 either the Labour Party or Conservative Party will form the next government, and if people chose to vote Ukip and let in Labour, then so be it – but they should remember than in 2010, unlike 1979, no one saw where tax rates were going to go to fund fat government and ever growing benefits etc, Labour despicably chose to hide the increase taxes (and some cuts) they promised in their 2010 manifesto.”

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ttosca · 07/02/2014 19:15

Isitmebut-

Similar for the economy, as if you think that all the 1.4 million new jobs since 2010 were given to the ‘super rich’, or that the Private Sector pays for the Public Sector

The employment figures are completely misleading. It's not the first time the Tory scum have been called out on their bogus statistics:

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/05/duncan-smith-rebuked-ons-misuse-benefit-statistics

The employment figures now don't include people who have not been able to find work over a long period of time.

They do include the hundreds of thousands of people who have shifted from full-time work to part-time work, because there aren't enough jobs to go around.

They also include the tens of thousands of people who are on the completely immoral Workfare programs, where the unemployed are forced to work for free, thus further disincetivizing employers from hiring and pushing down wages for everyone. Workfare slaves are now counted as 'employed' by this nasty government.

In short, you're full of it. And the nasty party you've been hired to defend won't be in power much longer.

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ttosca · 08/02/2014 14:25

Welfare to work companies could end up earning more taxpayer cash by placing people into unpaid community workfare than into work, under the government’s latest scheme for the unemployed. The companies could even profit from recruiting the unpaid workers themselves.

beastrabban.wordpress.com/2014/02/07/private-eye-on-workfare-exploitation-nice-little-earner/

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Isitmebut · 09/02/2014 13:13

ttosca….re your post above your last; forgetting your inaccurate link for a moment, who are the right people for the job of getting jobs, Labour who handed over nearly 1 million unemployed under 24-year olds, a trend that accelerated from 2004 thanks to their immigration policy or the Labour that lost 1 million manufacturing jobs by 2005, during a low interest/inflation rate environment - and a global consumption boom?
www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/million-factory-jobs-lost-under-labour-6150418.html

And as part of Labours ‘tax the economy to growth’, pre 2010 they included in budgets increases in National Insurance (a tax on jobs) to come in AFTER the election, as the precursor to more taxes businesses KNEW would come, from Old Labour’s ideology for supporting the big State.

By your measurements, I’d guess that makes New or Old Labour, ‘incompetent scum’, as they don’t have a clue too grow private sector jobs, only 100% tax funded public sector ones – similar to Greece’s business model really.

P.S. Re your New Statesman link, do you have something a little more current than -May 2013-, to reflect the recent spurt in monthly increases in BROADER BASED employment, thanks to the coalitions policies from day 1 of instead of taxing the private sector investment/jobs, they would REDUCE taxes to create jobs.

Only the threat of incompetent ‘tax high, spend badly’ Labour in 2015, will kill this recovery. Remember when Labour lost power Corporate tax was a penal 50% and not low 20%’s, businesses do.

P.P.S. Looking at that domain above, “Beastrabban” I’m not even going to bother opening it, but I’m guessing that it’s half-wit socialist website – so try finding credible links/qualifications to the mistruths you post, and I’ll read it.

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ttosca · 09/02/2014 14:36

Isitme-

I'm not sure why you bring Labour in to every conversation about the Tory scum. Labour are yet another business party, as far as I'm concerned.

Re employment figures:

If anything, the figures are likely to be worse, as the growth of Workfare non-jobs (not counted as unemployed) have increased considerably.

Meanwhile, the last few years the UK public's real wages have fallen considerably -- the largest fall in the last 50 years, says the Office of National Statistics:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25977678

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So you're advised not to throw around abstract figures which bare little or no relation to the real world conditions people are experiencing, thanks to the government's exploitation of the financial crisis to enact neo-liberal policies which attack working people's rights and transfer wealth from public in to private hands.

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Isitmebut · 09/02/2014 14:55

Ttosca...the fact you say rudely "Tory scum" means I will always show the incompetence of New Labour's policies implemented through a boom, before the money went, and then some.

Re Real wages, as the BoE stated, they began falling from 2007, we are in the worst recession for 80-years, show me a recession real wages didn't fall in any recession.


FYI Here is a snapshot of the most recent unemployment date – note the ‘has not been seen in 17-years” comment – well that goes back to 1997 when the Conservatives handed over to New Labour the fastest growing economy in Europe, that had grown slowly from the early 1990’s western recession, for around 26 consecutive GDP quarters.

So far the coalition has yet to regain all the lost New Labour GDP output from around 2008 - never mind all the manufacturing jobs they lost by 2005, but is currently on track to do so.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25841570

“Hugh PymChief economics correspondent, BBC News
Even with a growing economy, these figures from the labour market exceeded all expectations.

A fall of 167,000 in the unemployment level over three months hasn't been seen in 17 years. An unemployment rate of 7.1% has not been registered since early 2009.

It is clear that the British economy is creating jobs at a much faster rate than most analysts had predicted.”

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ttosca · 09/02/2014 15:11

I say Tory scum because I believe them to be utter psychopaths who are interested only in making themselves and their paymasters richer, and it doesn't matter how many lives they destroy or people they kill in the process.

Re Real wages, as the BoE stated, they began falling from 2007, we are in the worst recession for 80-years, show me a recession real wages didn't fall in any recession.

Yes, they began to fall due to the financial crisis. Since then, it is political and economic policy which decides who picks up the pieces for the results of having an economy basde on disastrous gangster Capitalism. Late 2007 was almost 7 years ago. If the government had any concern whatsoever about the welfare of the 95% of the British public, they would not enact social and economy policies which are making them devastated.

Workfare, for example, pushes down wages for everybody since employers can get workers for free. The Bedroom tax and the increase in VAT, for example, has seen the majority of the public including some of the most vulnerable paying more out of their pocket for common goods and to put a roof over their heads.

These are just a few of the policies which have contributed to the huge increase in homelessness and fuel and food poverty and the Coalition.

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I notice for the second time that you actually ignore most of what I wrote and re-iterate what you said previously.

I don't give a crap about 'output' or what New Labour did, for that matter. GDP is a bourgeois economic figure which bares little relation to how well the average household is faring.

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Pendeen · 09/02/2014 15:46

"The Consevatives in 1979 took over a broken country and in 1997 left the fastest growing economy in Europe, having seen around 26 consecutive quarters of GDP growth."

"In 2010 they were handed ANOTHER broken economy, not the one they handed over, the worse structurally and in terms of debt since the 1930’s recession, took tough decisions and AGAIN it is the fastest growing economy in Europe."

Where is the 'falling about with laughter' smiley?

No, the Tories didn't "take over" anything.

In 1979 they were voted in by a minority of the (voting) electorate (45%) and then voted out in 1997 when Labour gained power - by a minority (43%).

They were not "handed" anything four years ago, as they had an even smaller share (36%) and thus had to be propped up by the Limp Dems. All this, when only 3/5ths of the electorate bothered to vote at all!

The Tory party have nothing to congratulate themselves for and they certainly do not have the support of the majority of the British electorate.

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