Any UKIP supporters on here? What exactly are you voting for?

[chicaguapa]

I confess I don't know what the UKIP policies are, but wondered if the people voting for them could explain to me what they are please. Thanks.

Fortunate here that an Independent was candidate. I find that Independents are good at County Council level and most have fair and balanced viewpoints.

Beatback
That isn't what is meant. I didn't say anything about vocational, I think vocational is good.
However, I have three children who need support. Having said that their IQs are all in the 150 and above range. Why should they not receive support and why because ASDs is defined as a learning disability, should they be assigned to a congregate community?

DAWNDONNA. How is a special School locking people up. and i dont think it is financally possible anyway.

DAWNDONNA. I Suffer from A.S.D and with IQS OF 150 they would be at GRAMMAR SCHOOLS surely.

DAWNDONNA. 30 years ago i suffered terribly for it i just stared in to space for 5 years at Secondary School because i have terrible handwriting, i never did any work, never got any support from the School they just assumed i was stupid and incapable of doing any Academic work and i was made to do a "COMMUNITY BASED COURSE" which was making cups of tea for old people and other useless things. If you read the threads of Mumsnet and other websites you will realize that kids with A.S.D are now passing 11+ often and are going to Oxbridge and Russell group Universities. I dont think it means A.S.D or people with high functioning conditions.

The Tory voters believe that many of the UKIP candidates are just like them - ordinary people who never went to Oxbridge, never went to Eton, never had a silver spoon, never had a PPE, never worked in a think tank, were never policy wonks, but were just like them, struggling in small businesses up and down the land without the expenses and perks that the policy wonks received.

They have disagreed with the policy on Europe and on immigration for years, but only now have they chosen to vote for UKIP en masse, and that is because they have finally had enough of being let down by the people whom they voted for over policies that go far beyond Europe and immigration.

They have sent a message that the elite did not foresee, because teh elite never listened to the people. The people have said enough is enough.

People are voting UKIP because they are scared. Fear is a very very bad motivator for political decisions. History tells us that.
Maybe the people voting UKIP have a limited grasp on history (as well as politics).
And morebeta I don't think that everyone NOT voting UKIP is "Islington inteligensia" I'm certainly not. I can't even spell it.

A congregate community for people with learning disabilities is locking them up Backbeat. It's back to the old days of seen and not heard.

But that's not the point, it's not just my dcs, why should anyone be allowed to fail because they have a disability or a difference, why should they be locked up for it?

Also, European money does actually help a lot of people in the UK. Granted, not neccessarily middle aged wealthy people, but it pays for all kinds of things, from children's projects in the Welsh valleys, to grants for PhD students in the sciences.

'People are voting UKIP because they are scared.'

No, the people are not scared, they are fed up and they showed it in exasperation by sticking two fingers up to the great and the good.

They know that UKIP will probably never get into powerr, they know that things will probably continue as they are and teh elite will continue to ignore them, but they want to send a message that they are fed up and do not support any of the parties that claim to represent them.

I agree with Blueskies first post, but we both voted Green. Our local Green MP is a lovely lady who (during the door-to-doors before last polls) was very kind because I was a crying wreck, two weeks post-CS and DS2 kept crying, the others were rude wankers. That sums it up. The main three parties don't give a shit about people like us. It was a protest vote.

'Sorry but Ukip offer the best future for my children at the moment.'

well arent you lucky you're arent disabled

George83, I have seen few insults on this thread and elsewhere in the media and wider world re UKIP and their so-called 'policies'. What I have seen is a lot of criticism and a lot of willingness to call out racism and recognise it for what it is. That isn't about silencing people or marginalising them or whatever - it is simply countering racist hate speech with arguments against it and calling it what it is.

Which I think is fair enough - you want free speech? Well, fine, but be prepared for others also wanting free speech to disagree with you. Or are all of these UKIP voters such delicate (racist) flowers that they can't fight their own (racist) corner?

Maybe the people voting UKIP have a limited grasp on history (as well as politics).

Every time this sort of bollocks is expressed, UKIP will do better.

Cameron backtracking on the news tonight, talk all of respect, not of clowns and loonies.

"I have seen few insults on this thread"

Calling people racists is an insult.

Which you just did.

No. Calling racists racists and speaking out against racism is not an insult but a valid counter-argument against racist views. Which UKIP and their supporters quite clearly hold. People who are opposed to intolerance and bigotry are entitled to legitimately stand up against such hate-filled viewpoints and the people that hold them. In fact, they have a duty to vehemently counter them. This stuff matters.

It was mainly former Tories that voted for UKIP. They know that by doing so, they may help New Labour and some of the flint-faced former Communist Party members to return and wreck the country and its liberties even more than they did before, but they still voted UKIP, because they are fed up of being let down by their own party and the progressives in it who take their vote for granted.

The people have been let down for years, they know that "they are all the same" and that "we are not in it all together", but only now have they finally given up hope that things may change and that is why they finally stuck two fingers up and now watch the backtracking over statements about "clowns" and "fruitcakes", which is how the elite saw them.

You've had quite a lot to say for a new poster, claig.

Fuck. Now I'm scared.
OK, Is this better? People are voting UKIP because they are secretly bigoted twats.
And they are justifying this by calling it a "protest vote"

Most of it arsenuts, as well.

(That last comment was to claig.)

'You've had quite a lot to say for a new poster, claig.'

It's called democracy and free speech. You have told us your view that UKIP and the 25% of voters who casted votes for it was about "racism" and "hate speech". I have explained what it was really about.

And unlike you nad your "hate speech" views, I am a former Tory voter who voted for UKIP, so I probably understand the reasons why better than you and your insulting, simplistic "racist" reason.

'People are voting UKIP because they are secretly bigoted twats.'

They are not bigoted twats. The 25% who voted will be bus drivers, shop assistants, teachers and a cross-section of the entire population. They are fed up of being let down by the mainstream parties in their Westminster bubble who flipped homes and flipped them off. That is why they finally stuck two fingers up themselves.

You haven't really explained anything though, have you? Just the same old tired and mis-spelled soundbites.

If you vote for UKIP you're a racist. Who opposes women having maternity pay or indeed being employed at all if of child-bearing age.