Any UKIP supporters on here? What exactly are you voting for?

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I confess I don't know what the UKIP policies are, but wondered if the people voting for them could explain to me what they are please. Thanks.

Vivalabeaver -Isn't that Foundation Trusts already do? I men having full control over their own budgets?

UK house prices are a result of immigration?

Seems our more energised left wingers on this thread are forgetting the UK is a democracy, not a one party state where there is only one opinion allowed.

If one can't argue on ideas, just on personal abuse, it just shows there is intellectual bankruptcy.

I think oundation trusts do....but there's still people in Whitehall spending something like £28million a year deciding stuff. Ukip want to do away with that completely. Though not sure who's gong to decide how much each county gets? But maybe not a whole massive dept will be needed?

And a foundation trust is only a small part of what's happening in a county, there's loads of other groups, trusts, etc.

I dunno, haven't read their manifesto but maybe they will give all the county budget to a commissioning group for the county. There are too many levels at the minute, Whitehall, commissioning groups, various primary and tertiary care providers.

They are certainly stuck in the past. Mainstream parties may be in a political bubble, but UKIP inhabit a bubble of their own, well removed from reality today. Maybe its the Daily Mail fantasy bubble.

Can i ask those who have voted ukip and think their policies are best for their childrens futures, i assume your children are all nt and have no special needs. You do realise if your children do have special needs or go on to develop them that ukip wont give a crap and will essentially throw you to the dogs.

And btw I am a lifelong Green supporter, but IMO this mindless howling at the UKIP lot is showing complete ethical and intellectual bankruptcy and playing into their hands.

By refusing to engage on things that clearly concern a lot of your fellow voting citizens, you (and the mainstream parties as well) are a very large part of why they exist and are growing.

UKIP scares me as I see echoes of the 1930s, but it was as much the refusal of the existing political order to deal with problems that caused the rise of the nationalist parties.

DO people realize over 85% of our import and export is done within the Euro Zone. Imagine if will we to pull out of Europe and unlikely i know in the same way as,taking money out of "ACCOUNTS" Europe imposed import tarriffs on our goods,we could suffer "CATASTROPHIC" Consequences to our Economy. We need to be told the facts, most people believe the "NONSENSE" that we are the only ones that pay in the E.U and that the United Kingdom gets no benefit from Europe.

LAZY JANEY. You think U.K.I.P are looking for scapegoats to blame for the current Economic mess then. Personally i think as a Country we have very many ethnic communties, for that to happen. There are many examples of succesfull asians ,blacks and all different religions and coulours. I think any "OSWALD MOSLEY" type person would be unlikely to come though.

I'm an immigrant (been in UK for 35 years) and have in-laws who are working class and were labour voters. Both of us voted Ukip as where we are we are feeling the effects of uncontrolled immigration and feel none of the mainstream parties are taking our concerns seriously. We have problems getting GP/ hospital appointments, shortage of school places/ affordable housing. My inlaws have witness violence and crime outside their house as a result of ongoing feuds between various immigrant groups. Agree with others that immigration is necessary for the economy but it needs to be controlled. Immigrants need to integrate into the local population which is difficult to do if large numbers enter the country very quickly.

5 MADTHINGS. Are you saying that U.K.I.P would do away with specialist Teachers then. What have they said about S.E.N,all i have heard from them is that they want Grammar Schools nothing about S.E.N.

My main issue with UKIP policies is that we in GB are built on immigration. I am too far into o'clock to have a bunfight discussion about it, but a good summary is here

Beatback Do check out item 5 under Healthcare and the last point on Education and Training.
6 HEALTHCARE & THE NHS

· Keep the NHS free at the point of delivery and make no cuts to frontline services
· Replace overlapping tiers of NHS bureaucracy (SHAs/PCTs) with locally-elected County Health Boards
· Introduce private sector ?franchise partnerships? to run NHS healthcare services better, while assets remain in public hands
· Introduce ?Health Credit Vouchers? to allow people to opt out of the NHS if they wish
· Re-examine community care and support congregate communities for people with learning disabilities
· Restore free NHS dental check-ups and eye tests

7 EDUCATION & TRAINING

· Bring back the ?three Rs? and teach reading with phonics to provide a proper educational foundation
· Encourage the creation of new grammar schools, but make the 11-plus vocational as well as academic
· Give parents ?School Vouchers? so they can choose between schools - state or private
· Raise standards by franchising state schools to private organisations, such as charitable trusts
· Re-introduce student grants (?Student Vouchers? and ?Training Vouchers?)
· Re-examine the policy of ?inclusion? and support special schools for children with learning disabilities

"He says he would never have voted for them if he thought they had any chance of winning as he thinks they are bonkers. I've told him on that logic he should have voted green!!"

But he wanted to send a message to the mainstream political parties. That is why he voted UKIP just like 25% of the voters. They all wanted to send a message. The greens are a joke and their vieews are mainstream and all the mainstream political parties and progressives agree with most of them. Of course, the 25% of the people don't.

Just dropped by to say how much I bloody hate 'Imagine'. BOLLOCKS. Patronising bollocks. The kind of talk-down-to-the-scum stuff only the rich and mighty get away with. Makes me want to take out the Clash and give it the LOT. Or East Jesus Nowhere. Or Brain Stew. Green Day. Eh Oh

Phew.

Now back to UKIP. Thing is that they think there are magic money trees. Their maths is crappier than Gideon's. If we take back all the money we give to the Eu we also lose all the money we GET from them, which doesn't figure in their budgets at all. Where is the money for universities to come form if they crack down even more on overseas students? And how do they know that immigrants don't make a net contribution? - Polish immigrants do.

The opportunity to have "protest votes" in council elections between parliamentary elections seems like a really crap system. If people really are using it as a way to be heard then they are potentially sacrificing good local government and parties with genuine local manifestos for the chance to stick two fingers up.

I have found the posts explaining UKIP's policies very informative, but even people who are genuinely voting for one or more of these policies won't actually see any progress made towards them by voting in a councillor as they are parliamentary issues. The only local issue raised that UKIP councillors might influence seems to be renewable energy and wind farms. While I appreciate that renewable energy is an important issue, there is so much more to local politics.

People vote UKIP because:

• they think there are too many immigrants
• they don't like gay marriage
• they think women with children are better off at home rather than in the workplace taking maternity leave and damaging business
• they aren't keen on all this EU Human Rights stuff

Most UKIP voters didn't look at the UKIP mainfesto. They don't know what all their policies are. But they don't care. This was an unprecedented protest vote for anon-mainstream party which has not been since for probably 100 years. This shows the deep disillusionment with the traditional parties and particularly the Tories who have let their ow voters down and have abandoned them in favour of progressive policies that please the BBC and the Guardian.

The people are so fed up of not being represented that they voted for UKIP without even knowing exactly what they stand for. They don't care. They think they can't be any worse than the progressives in Tory clothing.

'they are potentially sacrificing good local government and parties with genuine local manifestos for the chance to stick two fingers up.'

yes, many good Tory councillors lost their seats. But that is democracy. What else can the people do to show their disgust at the way that they have been let down by parties that they trusted to deliver for them.

All the bullshit opinion polls and all the bullshit progressive TV debates have been shown up for the fraud that they were. No one spoke to the people, no one cared what they thought, and that is why when they had their chance, they stuck two fingers up to the progressives.

DAWNDONNA. It sounds wonderful to me but how would we pay for it,if we lost 20% of our Economy if Europe imposed import tariffs on our products. If it is this simple why have none of the 3 main parties come up with these ideas. I am not anti U.K.I.P i just cant see how it can work.

Farage was on radio this morning and he explained the rise in his vote as being due to a mindset. He is right. It is not just about Europe or immigration because people know that the elite will never change those policies. It is about an entire mindset that is fed up of the progressive establishment and metropolitan elite and its disdain for the views of the majority.

And the fact that it is about a "mindset" explains why the people don't care what the UKIP manifesto is and the majority have not even read it.

Beatback
It won't work, it's not financially viable.
I don't understand why the locking up of people with learning disabilities sounds so wonderful, perhaps you could explain your reasoning?

DAWNDONNA. Regarding the 11+ when you say vocational you mean bringing back Technical High Schools then. so it would go back to the tripartite system. The problem would be SECONDARY MODERNS would be created,and though i am in favor of Grammar Schools, SECONDARY MODERNS as were in the 60s were just dumping grounds. there would need to be thinking what to do with the bottom 30% and still give them chances to achieve.