Any UKIP supporters on here? What exactly are you voting for?

[chicaguapa]

I confess I don't know what the UKIP policies are, but wondered if the people voting for them could explain to me what they are please. Thanks.

Has anyone that voted UKIP actually read their national manifesto? I would do that. They propose massive tax cuts and at the same time massive increases in public spending. And then you get onto the racist stuff. My wife (a German citizen) would lose her right to stay here. She would not be eligible for benefits, so our child benefit would stop. Every time she left or entered the country it would be "recorded" (What for, Nige? Why not just make her wear some kind of symbol so you can easily identify her as a foreigner?) and if she doesn't "respect our laws" she would face deportation. And as for their claims of being Libertarian, they oppose gay marriage.

Are you female jaywall? Do you have children? Do you work? Do you realise UKIP want to abolish maternity pay and allow businesses to discriminate when it comes to employing women of childbearing age?

How do you feel about this? If you have daughters do you think UKIP will be good for them?

Slug but the other 3 are shit for children,utterly shit.

"Denmark gets 25% of it's electricity from wind power. Quick! Someone tell them it's insanely expensive and unreliable"

I think they have already worked that out for themselves.

An installed capacity of 25% would only translate to 25% of electricity if the wind blew constantly and optimally so that - say - a 2MW turbine always produced a constant 2MW. In reality it's only a fraction of that - and unpredictable and bursty.

slug

Are you female jaywall? Do you have children? Do you work? Do you realise UKIP want to abolish maternity pay and allow businesses to discriminate when it comes to employing women of childbearing age?

What they actually say is that they want to scrap the statutory system and let businesses provide it as they see fit. What's interesting about their small business policy, which it appears you haven't read, is that they specifically talk about balancing the employee/employer bargaining arrangement by making it more transparent and requiring the employer to list, upfront as part of the recruitment process, the pay and conditions that the employer offers as part of the role and what other people at the firm are currently receiving.
It doesn't forbid business from offering maternity pay but it no longer compels all businesses to offer something that they may not be able to afford.

How do you feel about this? If you have daughters do you think UKIP will be good for them?

D'you think that a small business is more, or less likely to employ a woman of childbearing age under the current system?

jaywall - the Danes back up their wind generation capacity with local municipal combined heat and power plants (a very efficient sort of fossil fuel generation capacity) as well as large coal fired power staions plus imported electricty brought in via undersea interconnectors from German coal fired power stations.

More problematic is when the wind does actually blow in Denmark there is often a very rapid surge in output over a matter of minutes and the surplus electric in Denmark is dumped uncontrollably back over the undersea interconnectors and it floods into the grid into North Germany. The German grid operator has to rapidly back down the German coal fired power stations at huge expense to prevent it destabilisng their grid.

Those coal stations have typically spent the early hours of the morning ramping up to full capacity burning thousands of tonnes of coal -all that heat is wasted and the CO2 was still emitted anyway.

Wind power is a ghastly folly. Vestas, the biggest Danish wind turbine manufacturer is facing financial difficulty and the entire industry was built on a huge subsidy from the Danish taxpayer.

UKIP want to avoid that happening in the UK.

Domin1c - like you, Nigel Farage has a wife who is German. I think your DW is unlikely to be thrown out of the UK.

There is already massive unfairness in the workplace regarding pensions and childcare facilities. All this up in arms business about what UKIP might do being unfair. It's unfair now.

Domin1c - and if she doesn't "respect our laws" she would face deportation.

GOOD. I'd hope that any foreigner who doesn't respect our laws would face deportation. Why do you have a problem with that?

The more I hear about UKIP the more I like them.

Oh I've read it. Did you not read the bit about small businesses perhaps paying young women more to compensate for the lack of maternity pay. Given that women in the UK are already under paid in comparison to men the possibility of that happening is somewhere between highly unlikely and not at all. It's lip service to hide their belief that women in the workforce are inherently a problem given the possibility that they might get pregnant and SME are only paid 104% of SPM which, as we all know, is a bleeding liberty. They specifically mention SME's having to recruit from a smaller employment pool. Which translates as "Don't bother to even interview women".

Under the current system businesses are bound by European law. Now, I agree, many of them flagrantly flout this, but at least they are not allowed to advertise that childbearing age women need not apply and women have the right to challenge them in the courts. UKIP would prefer to do away with what little protection women have.

I simply fail to see how any woman who works or has daughters would support a party that is so openly contemptuous of them.

And don't get me started on Farrage's pet policy to rescind the smoking ban. How this sits with their belief in protecting the NHS is simply beyond me. It took a grand total of 2 weeks for the effects of the smoking ban to be registered in hospitals in Scotland in terms of the drop in admissions for breathing and chest pains. Ultimately this saved the NHS, and continues to save it, vast amounts of money. How they are going to fund the rise in admissions once the ban is revoked is not explained, especially once those pesky tax paying women are removed from the workforce.

Impala you are absolutely spot on. An awful lot of people are completely disillusioned by the Conservatives' reluctance to get to grips with the real problems in this contry - the 'open door' policy on immigration being one of the most important. Instead they have concentrated on issues such as permitting 'marriage' for homosexuals, an issue which concerns only a minority of the population.
UKIP seem to be the only party taking a stand on the immigration issue.

Neither of his wives is English. The first was Irish and the second is German

I see them essentially as racist - you can dress it up as you like.

All right wing parties scare me, they all boil down to the 'dog eat dog' mentality. I'm with John Lennon

'imagine there's no countries...and no religion too'

And, I know

'you may say I'm a dreamer'.

slug

Oh I've read it. Did you not read the bit about small businesses perhaps paying young women more to compensate for the lack of maternity pay. Given that women in the UK are already under paid in comparison to men the possibility of that happening is somewhere between highly unlikely and not at all.

With pay transparency, the situation as it stands where pushy men who ask for pay rises are more likely to get them, would not affect women's pay.

It's lip service to hide their belief that women in the workforce are inherently a problem given the possibility that they might get pregnant and SME are only paid 104% of SPM which, as we all know, is a bleeding liberty. They specifically mention SME's having to recruit from a smaller employment pool. Which translates as "Don't bother to even interview women".

That's your (wrong, in my view) interpretation of their policy.

Under the current system businesses are bound by European law.

Glad we all voted for that.

Now, I agree, many of them flagrantly flout this, but at least they are not allowed to advertise that childbearing age women need not apply and women have the right to challenge them in the courts. UKIP would prefer to do away with what little protection women have.

It always boils down to this - you'd rather have a non-democratic system of government which gives you the socialist policies you desire than a democratic one which doesn't.

I simply fail to see how any woman who works or has daughters would support a party that is so openly contemptuous of them.

And don't get me started on Farrage's pet policy to rescind the smoking ban. How this sits with their belief in protecting the NHS is simply beyond me. It took a grand total of 2 weeks for the effects of the smoking ban to be registered in hospitals in Scotland in terms of the drop in admissions for breathing and chest pains.

Yes, IIRC the study which claimed that the smoking ban had made a difference contained nearly as many egregious errors as the study which claimed the UK population was in favour of wind turbines.

Ultimately this saved the NHS, and continues to save it, vast amounts of money. How they are going to fund the rise in admissions once the ban is revoked is not explained, especially once those pesky tax paying women are removed from the workforce.

Remarkable how so many left-wingers are so determined to 'save money' when there are policies around which they don't agree with.

Didn't John Lennon write that song in a multi-million pound house within a gated estate in Weybridge?

A great vantage point from which to pontificate on open borders, from behind security fences and surrounded by fellow millionaires.

I don't understand the problem with immigration. Some people come here to work, there are others who seek asylum. The UK isn't overrun.
Immigration isn't a new issue, people have always moved between countries and continents.

I don't really get it. Who exactly isn't wanted here? Is it all the foreign doctors who run our hospital, the teachers, the people who do the jobs nobody else will do?

The UK isn't overrun?

So why does a house in Brixton now cost nearly a million quid? www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-41329208.html

Certainly that is a new issue.

PatPig

so people from which socioeconomic backgrounds are allowed to hold anti right wing views? Is there a salary beyond which you cannot have political vision? Ghandi also abhorred this type of party, he was not living the high life.

flatpackhamster

"It doesn't forbid business from offering maternity pay but it no longer compels all businesses to offer something that they may not be able to afford."

And how many small businesses will offer anything if they're not compelled to? It's dire enough if you get SMP only. Just because an employer would have to say upfront that they're not going to offer anything doesn't make it better.

Didn't John Lennon write that song in a multi-million pound house within a gated estate in Weybridge?
Taking into consideration that he was murdered, your point is?

One of the consultants at work says their health policy is actually very good.

They want to separate health budgets into areas and each area/county get their budget, full control and they decide how to spend it. He says at the minute about 25% of the total health budget is spent by/in Whitehall. So millions and millions of £.

Yes, IIRC the study which claimed that the smoking ban had made a difference contained nearly as many egregious errors as the study which claimed the UK population was in favour of wind turbines.
Which study, there have been dozens all reporting the same thing, is every one of them wrong?

I Think at the moment Nigel Farage is bringing a bit of fresh air to politics, people are sick of seeing the same faces. Most of them have been to Oxford or Cambridge, been with their parties from 15 years old done the canvassing got the unwinable seat then the safe seat. They have little knowledge of life outside the politcal bubble, therfore they come up with silly ideas like a 6th form School kid would. U.K.I.P are trying to make out they are magicians"LOWER TAXES" BETTER WAGES" BETTER EDUCATION" we need to see their "MANIFESTO" and see how this makes sense.Anyone can say these things and fool people but it is very unlikely to be true. I think part of the appeal of U.k.I.P to some people is they think they remind them of a golden time in the United Kingdom, when we could survive as a sole Economy,with a bit of the Commonwealth and the U.S.A that time as well and truly passed. We need a referendum on the E.U as soon as possible,the problem could be that certain newspapers could turn the thing in to "JOHNNY FOREIGNER" ACTUNG" type stuff and trivalize what could be the most important debate in the United Kingdom for 70 years.

I didn't vote for ukip btw.