Any UKIP supporters on here? What exactly are you voting for?

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I confess I don't know what the UKIP policies are, but wondered if the people voting for them could explain to me what they are please. Thanks.

UKIP expel members who slip up and make ridiculous racist, homophobic comments on the public platform. These people WERE members.

They aren't going to win the election as Farage has admitted so those concerned about them need not worry about it.

However all 3 parties including Labour are committed as UKIP is to restricting immigration as it is so popular with the people here (I am pro immigration but also pro small state and much reduced benefits from wherever you are from including here and £10k benefits cap not £26k which is ridiculously high).

They were people who joined a party because they thought they had found something in common. Just the way their policy proposals are written doesn't instil a great deal of confidence in me to give UKIP my vote. Inarticulate and empty promises.

'BollyGood Sun 05-May-13 21:37:29

Have you read the Mismeasure of Man lazaruss it makes for interesting reading. My 21 year old daughter read your comments and was surprised at your attitude towards others on the thread and the people you are writing about.'

The book appears to state what I already know... you can't judge a book by its cover.

xenia I can only speak for myself here but I think it isn't just about UKIP winning the election which worries people in the UK. It is the way they, as a party put themselves across, the type of policies they are trying to sell. I have read all of the arguments on here for and against UKIP as a party but if you read ALL of their policies and intentions on how they will implement them- it does not look good for people who are already marginalised and women in particular. As I have said previously how many UKIP voters have read in depth and have built a picture in their minds of what life could be like under UKIP? To my mind UKIP are dangerous simply because they have become a protest vote, not everyone is aware what they are voting for.

'BollyGood Sun 05-May-13 21:42:12

UKIP expel members who slip up and make ridiculous racist, homophobic comments on the public platform. These people WERE members.'

Do you believe the other parties have no dirty washing either? You can't paint a whole organisation due to a couple of bad apples.

Oh lazaruss intelligence testing is not always a good measure of true intelligence. Real intelligence is made up of other factors not what you may 'score' in a test. That was my point.

I agree lazaruss I have very little faith in any other party either. I do not feel represented by any in fact. BUT UKIP a party have as I mentioned above very clear policies on diversity and getting rid of it, no maternity rights at all for women and blah blah the list goes on. I posted a comprehensive list way earlier on the thread.

Yep, I know that too.

Re your comment about 'it does not look good for people who are already marginalised and women in particular.'

If it comes out rude, so be it.

You are the latest in a long line of posters to say something similar. I, and others, have asked for clarification.

I am guessing you have read the manifesto in fully and in depth, personally I've only read the national manifesto and the healthcare policy over the last 24hrs or so, due to this thread.

So.

Can you give some pointers as to what parts of their paperwork makes it not look good for marginalised or women?

Find my post up thread and do a bit of detective work lazaruss I can't be bothered to cut and paste it all again. I have read all of the posts on here as I am genuinely interested in what people have to say. I also care about what UKIP are trying to do hence reading very thoroughly exactly what they propose. Perhaps you should have done the same before posting.

I just had a look at ukip policies to see what they had to say about women but I couldn't see anything so I clicked on their fishing policy instead.

the first thing that caught my eye was this:

• UKIP deplores the decision to sign over control of British fishing grounds - which contain nearly 70% of Europe?s fish - to the EU?s Common Fisheries Policy (CFP).

Surely that can't be right? Would be interested to understand how they worked that out

Then I had to ROFL @ the next bit:

• · Establish an ?Exclusive Economic Zone? extending 200 nautical miles from the UK?s coastline over which the UK exerts total control

Now I only did it by eye on google, but I think that would take in the entire coastline of northern france, and much of the coastline of holland and of course much of the coast of Ireland as well.

I mean WHAT?

Whoever wrote that policy just randomly spewed it onto paper didn't they, without engaging their brain AT ALL. And this is their official published policy!!!

Mind boggling!!!

I wonder what the rest of their policies are like (but not enough to actually read them )

I can't believe you have been commenting without actually reading in depth what you are commenting about!

nicetabard you need to read the employment policy bit. Carefully hidden in there is the proposal to abolish maternity rights for women within the work place. This is offset with a weekly payment for the women to stay home if they want to but obviously they have no right to keep the job they may have worked extremely hard for.

That just about does it for me. And they want to get rid of the diversity in the workplace policy, only people who have been in a job for two years or more have the right to complain or go to a tribunal regarding discrimination whatever the nature of it.

Aha

I am fascinated as to how they plan to annexe coastal reagions of france, ireland, holland and belgium though. Is annexe the right word? I mean what the actual fuck I don't know whether to laugh or cry!!! And people voted for this!!!

There is so much more. Just the way it's so awfully written rang alarm bells for me. Not grammar as such but just the general tone and language. I think someone likened it to being written on the back of a fag packet, ironic as UKIP want abolish the smoking ban.

Oh the UKIP webiste also says that gay people who want to get married are making a fuss.

They sound great!!!

I know nicetabard people must not have read any of the small print as it were. None of it is plausible or indeed sensible.

I wasn't going to post that nicetabard as its very close to my heart and I could end up angry!! But yes that too, another stupid comment. And they ACTUALLY published it...

Jumping on the bandwagon is how I would describe UKIP with a hastily thrown together manifesto blotted with ridiculous ideas.

Just read the maternity bit - interestingly parts of it (making it up to the employer whether to offer leave or not) were a tory proposal not long ago which (thankfully) they seem to have gone quiet on now.

Yes I noticed that part too, no party is perfect but there is usually someone with an ounce of sense working within. UKIP, I am not so sure. It all seems so slapdash to me.

I suppose most people may have just read the manifesto or seen their posters which only gives an indication, but the real nasty stuff is in the small print which I haven't really read.

NICETABARD. THAT IS WHAT I WAS SAYING THEIR POLICIES HAVE BEEN WRITEN, ON A FAG PACKET. They have just sat round at the pub and started talking like blind drunk idiots do,and come up with total rubbish.