This is amazing, explains Tory twattery in such a simple way ;)

[ApocalypseCheeseToastie]

ENJOY !

oh, and wrt your notion of democracy appears to entail those you agree with dominating the discourse as idiotically and unpleasantly as they like, while those you disagree with have no entitlement to object. I disagree with you. Yes, it's allowed. what utter rubbish. the majority of poster are left-leaning. that is why the "lefties" tend to dominate conversation. You do, of course, have every right to oject, but on this particular thread you have been really quite unpleasant and abusive. not to mention utterly humourless. and your entire argument seems centred around "I can say what I damn well like" and calling "bully" when someone dares to disagree. I disagree with you, and your summary of the way that the average mn lefty behaves. but (thought I'd beat you to it) I would, wouldn't I? being a lefty.

Anybody mentioned Stephen Hester's £960k bonus yet?

Ah, so it's only the way people that speak to you that counts, lissie. I get it now. So all the unpleasantness directed at me here, or others of the same stripe elsewhere, is OK because it's not directed at little old you.
And they call Tories self-centred.. that wasnt what I meant, and you know it. I didnt see any unpleasantness on the other threads, beyond ribbing about outlandish and frankly victorian views.

but, you know, keep playing the victim. Its a look that suits you.

Loved the film - made me laff!
So have lots of the nutty comments on here

And I want to know what was deleted!! Bet some of it was classic!
Cheers for the clip.

JuliaScurr - I admit to not being a banking expert, but I really don't understand how they can justify that level of bonus. It is meant to be related to performance isn't it?

Also, why on earth didn't Cameron/Osborne step in here, they have been spouting chapter and verse about restricting excessive bonuses and pay and they allow this to happen in a bank that the government owns 80% + of!?

Also, why on earth didn't Cameron/Osborne step in here, they have been spouting chapter and verse about restricting excessive bonuses and pay and they allow this to happen in a bank that the government owns 80% + of!?

exactly, especially when they are dressing up the benefit/nhs/public sector/oxygen (hey, its only a matter of time) cuts as being absolutely necessary, and for the good of the public.

Love the link lots, thanks Apocalypse . Will amuse MrKinky with that later.

Hmm, I wonder how many nurses/paramedics/policemen £960K would fund.

I'm glad Hester got his bonus. It puts paid, once and for all, to all the Tory bleating about them trying to make the banks and bankers behave more responsibly by giving shareholders more power in deciding bonuses.

If the 80% shareholder, who also happens to be the government, can't do it, what hope does anyone else have?

Somehow I feel that despite Hester's bonus, Cameron and Co will still claim to be 'cracking down' on excessive pay and bonuses in the city.

A tory playing a victim......hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Tories create real victims....they're called the poor.

Certainly brings things into focus.

PosieParker There are victims who are Tories. They're those people who vote Tory because of what they want to be, rather than what they actually are.

I understand people voting Tory because it's in their interest. I'll never understand people who vote Tory because it's the interest group they long to belong to.

Wait until you get there, you dolts. In the meantime, stop helping them shaft the rest of us.

Aren't you done making wild generalisations yet? Or do you have any evidence that "the notion that governments, like everyone else, have to act in accordance with the law tends not to be popular on the left," and that's forgetting the disparaging comments on the intellect of the average lefty. That highgrounds getting awfully shaky!

But keep on. You are doing so well!

Aren't you done making wild generalisations yet? Or do you have any evidence that "the notion that governments, like everyone else, have to act in accordance with the law tends not to be popular on the left," and that's forgetting the disparaging comments on the intellect of the average lefty. That highgrounds getting awfully shaky!

But keep on. You are doing so well!

Ah, I see

Ah, I see

lissie Though I guess we might both be crudely described as lefties we clearly both understand the concept of contracts.

I am perfectly ok with Hester's bonus if it's part of his contract. People should honour contracts. I've benefitted from that concept in opposition to a recalcitrant employer. It took legal action, but some people don't get it the first time.

It's why I suppoirt people in the public sector who've signed up to one thing in regards to pensions and who are now being told it can't be afforded.

It's a contract. Maybe it was even signed by a Labour administration.

So what. Deal with it.

Hallo
I shall be moving this into Politics shortly
Thanks
MNHQ

Having researched this on the internet, I can confirm that Hester's contact does not give him the automatic right to a bonus at all. Its down to 'discretion'.

I have also discovered that Cameron's view on this, it that this is a reasonable bonus because Hester is receiving a lower bonus than last year.

Three words Mr Cameron - You absolute hypocrite.

Cameron could have intervened but the Treasury's view was that the board of RBS might have walked out so it might be unwise to provoke them, not just for his political and tribal friendships, but for the stability of RBS which is 80 per cent state-owned.

I don't like Cameron and his government, being a Lefty and all, but I have some sympathy with his predicament.

Maybe he and his friends can extend that sympathy to Ed Miliband juggling his own tribal loyalties with the effect on the economy of cutting public sector jobs and services.

Boards of directors holding the country to ransom by threatening to resign is no different to union members going on strike for their interests.

I wonder if it will get reported that way.

Interesting post Limitedperiod! I disagreed with the strikes too

Lets just hope Mr Hester has the decency to hand it back this bonus.

The RBS chairman, Sir Philip Hampton has turned down his £1.4 million bonus as he feels it is 'inappropriate'. I agree with him.