Too Many Cuts...come join the #Frothers and have your say

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This is the 3rd thread in a series.

It is for people who are horrified, frustrated and downright sad at the erosion of human rights with respect to how this country is being run, just now and in the recent past

it is apolitical in nature, but of course due to many recent initiatives by the recent govt, there will be rants against our current "leaders"

please join in

I shall post the link to the old threads, our "Too Many Cuts #Frothers" blog that is attracting a lot of widespread attention and a little bit of what we are about in a moment

Oh fark - there's the Nursery vouchers now for 3&4yo's, aren't there - I'll have to find out how much they are worth, won't I, and deduct that from the nursery fees, and find out how the childcare element of WTC interacts with that. BLOW!

Hunty, Monthly sounds good, as long as it is made clearly the calculations are Monthly. It is very good of you to do all of this.

Can I clear this up.

Every household is given up to £500 per week or £2,000 per month maximum Universal credit.

The universal credit can be used to pay for things like CTC, CB, DLA and WTC amongst others such as HB, JSA, ESA. As long as you don't go over the upper limit, you can keep your part time earnings, which must be a minimum of 20 hours a week earning, it doesn't matter how much you earn in those 20 hours?

PIP will relace DLA, and if you are currently on lower or middle rate DLA you will no longer get anything for that, you only get help for high rate DLA? Is the DLA included or excluded from the UC?

Is CSA excluded from UC?

Please clarify what is right/wrong with the above, I don't really fully understand the previous posts so need clarification.

Many thanks.

have you seen this, I'm foaming at the mouth

HuntyCat, I am going to duck after asking this!

Can you also do some calculations for lone parents who have children at secondary school, so those who will not be able to get paid childcare (not on to lave kids of age 11 at home from 3.30 to 6.30, there is nothing else for people stuck in this position ), what is the position of a non working so on ESA or JSA, working part time, full time lone parent of 11-18 year olds?

AH! The private Nurseries in my area do not let you use the vouchers for a full day - you HAVE to use them for a 3hr session, once a day - so if you were doing your 20 hours over 3 days, you would only get 3 hours a day free with the vouchers. I have used £50 instead of £52 to make the calculations easier, so that would be £15 off per day.

The position is that if your dc are over 12yo and have no additional care needs (as proven by them getting HRC on DLA, if not, it doesn't count...) then you have to work 35 hrs a week.

I kid you not.

TheMouse - I'll explain it in a better way for you in a bit, but I'm trying to do some really bastardy calculations at the moment!

Luminescence - STOP distracting me. I will have to have a chunter at that in a bit...

Perhaps www1.yadvashem.org/yv/en/exhibitions/warsaw_ghetto/images/german_soldier/07.jpg this is Thatcher's "wall"?

She was actually quoting Darwin, who wrote in his revolutionary Survival Of The fittest: It is a law and fact in nature that there shall be the weak and the strong. The strong shall triumph and the weak shall go to the wall. The law, though involving destruction is really preservative. If all plants and animals were free to reproduce their kind under like and equally favorable conditions, if all were equally strong and well equipped for obtaining sustenance and making their way in the world, there would soon be no room on the earth for even a single species.

That passage has been used to justify a plethora of atrocities in human societies. It is a quasi-scientific justification for euthanasia, expulsion and dehumanisation.

What Darwin meant was that more resilient species triumph, in evolutionary terms, over 'weaker' ones. Homo sapiens is resilient due to our extreme adaptability (cockroaches, by contrast, are just rock-hard and, in Darwinian terms, are a more 'successful' species than our own.) What we do is adapt our environment to our own needs and create strongly-bonded communities. To apply Darwin's rule as if it were relevant within a species is somewhat batty. Human strength has always lain in out inter-dependence, not in mutual exclusion.

Here's a little slideshow of pictures from the Warsaw ghetto.

bother my link

the definition of "human" has been missed there, somewhat

the facility for compassion

Don't bother with my questions until you have time, no hurry.

The recepient of DLA is me, has taken a lot of applications to get it in the end, lost heart so often with it all, didn't appeal so many times etc. The dc have issues also, denied dla, I didn't have it in me to fight it, they wouldn't be higher rate anyways.

Using this as the safe space can I just say FUCKING HELL!!!

Some twat on the AIBU tory thread has just told me she doesn't see why she and her dh should stick around paying tax because they have private healthcare and educate their children privately and that we should be grateful they do stick around because if they fecked off abroad all the poor would be in much worse shape.

I am furious!

kate, just give her a wave as she fucks off abroad then

fucks off abroad to live off her dh as well.

you wouldn't want to share a life with her dh

whether in ole blighty or on a yacht in Barbados

really

I suspect underneath Kate, she is feeling dreadfully guilty and unworthy at having so much wealth coming in to her household.

What thread is this posted on anyways?

That's true.

Thing is (evening all) Kate, she believes that because that is what we all keep getting told, can't do anything to upset the rich, they might bugger off. Can't do anything to upset the banks, try might bugger off, can't do anything to upset the multinationals, they might bugger off.

surrendered wife < cough > traditional (right wing) relationship

The AIBU to think that being a Tory doesn't make you think thread.

Now I KNOW being a Tory doesn't make you think. SIL is very bright and has written speeches for some of those twats including David Willetts. Thankfully she's married a socialist even if they don't agree about politics.

I should warn you if you venture over there you may feel murderous.

Yes SW is about right. You have to believe it or you couldn't live it could you?

Being a Tory doesn't mean you're thick. There are bright people and thick people in every political movement. They all have their merits. Extreme movements, however, tend to attract a higher proportion of thick people. That's because thick people aren't capable of wider thoughts, so go with the option that promises them the best personal return.

See potted Hitler story above.

(BTW, where are all the historians? I know I'm nothing like an expert! Someone fix my errors )

Have been trying to get my head round the figures and details posted over the last few pages, but am failing - HuntyCat, you seem to be saying that to get the UC parents need to work for 55 hours between them at NMW (but less if they earn more) - have I got that right?

But what happens to people who can't get a job? Do they and their children starve?

Can you explain please - v confused.