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Too Many Cuts...come join the #Frothers and have your say

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AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 07/12/2011 21:23

This is the 3rd thread in a series.

It is for people who are horrified, frustrated and downright sad at the erosion of human rights with respect to how this country is being run, just now and in the recent past

it is apolitical in nature, but of course due to many recent initiatives by the recent govt, there will be rants against our current "leaders"

please join in

I shall post the link to the old threads, our "Too Many Cuts #Frothers" blog that is attracting a lot of widespread attention and a little bit of what we are about in a moment

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CardyMow · 08/12/2011 22:49

Well, THAT was quicker than I thought - they're on there now.

Pg 24 on the IFS one, and just read the CAB one.

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KateFrothers · 08/12/2011 22:50

I don't think Cameron's even invited on that little road trip never mind in the boot.

ShirleyKnot · 08/12/2011 22:51

Mouse - It's Friday tomorrow - it's ALWAYS Charlie and Susannah on a Friday. It's Bill and Sian day off.

Whatever will we do when they move to Salford and the lovely Siany leaves? Sad

I do like Susannah now though, she was quite harsh and unlikeable......for a little while......but I really like her......

Tianc · 08/12/2011 22:52

Will PM you an email, Hunty.

Only do this if you want to, but I'm happy to try to run this discrepancy to earth, especially if Lubey needs to know whether to include it in her campaigning.

Tianc · 08/12/2011 22:52

Uff, so slow I'm x-posting. I'll go catch up.

KateFrothers · 08/12/2011 22:54

Hunty you need to post the links. We can't access your account. Make sure you click the thing on the left to make them public.

CardyMow · 08/12/2011 22:56

huntycat.keepandshare.com

TheMouseRanUpTheClock · 08/12/2011 22:58

Do you have to be in that keepandshare? I tried putting in huntycat.keepandshare.com and it didn't work Confused

CardyMow · 08/12/2011 22:59

Made them public now.

TheMouseRanUpTheClock · 08/12/2011 22:59

Now it works ShockConfused, I just have to log in!

CardyMow · 08/12/2011 23:00

It only took me a second to sign up, TheMouse. I used my HuntyCat email, not my personal one.

ShirleyKnot · 08/12/2011 23:05

Managed to snag a really cool twitterer @hangbitch tonight. She's fabulous and if you're not following her, you should be - anyway she's now following me and has thanked me for the link. She's pretty small potatoes really but has a good 4.5K following

WHOOP WHOOP!

CardyMow · 08/12/2011 23:05

Tianc - I want to find out about this discrepancy too, especially as it will direly affect me personally, as I have 3 ex-partners that pay through the CSA currently, I will have to pay the charges three times - and that INCLUDES the percentage charges - so if I'm going to be losing out on the charges three times, if they will be taking the maintenance AND the charges out of the UC - then I will just cancel BOTH my claims. It's just not worth it when I get £12.50/wk from DD's father, £1.36 from DS1's dad, and £55/wk for two dc from Ex-P. So I get the sum total of £68.86/wk maintenance for all 4 of my dc. Not worth losing even MORE than that if this is true - so I'll just go without the money!!

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AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 08/12/2011 23:26

I am following @hangbitch, she is kewwwwl

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Scarletbanner · 08/12/2011 23:34

Hunty, Tianc I've just had a flick through the latest version of the Bill. It's hard to read it on my phone, but from what I can see, there aren't specific provisions about maintenance. What there is, is the power to make regulations (ie to decide later) what counts as income which will be deducted pound for pound from UC, and what will be disregarded.

During the debates, the Govt will have made a statement about this, or a commitment as to what it will say in the regulations. If not, there might be more amendments. The most recent briefing from groups like Gingerbread (ie, the Briefing for Lords Report stage) should give you the latest.

carernotasaint · 08/12/2011 23:37

Im frothing at Question Time. They are discussing whether or not there is any compassion for the unemployed.
The chief exec of Next has just said that the biggest fiddle is disability benefits. He hasnt even looked at the figures. Its something like 0.5% One young girl in the audience said that the problem with being young is that you have no experience and that she cant get experience without getting a job. she obviously hasnt made the hideous discovery of workfare yet.
After the comments from Next it would be really interesting to find out if they have ever used workfare.
BOYCOTT NEXT.
I am MAJORLY FROTHING........FUCKING BASTARD

CardyMow · 08/12/2011 23:39

Shit fuck and bollocks they're going to write off existing arrears

Read paragraph 70. Cunting bastards. They are going to either leave the arrears sitting there and refuse to chase them, or write them off. I hope no-one here has arrears owing to them for maintenance...

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AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 08/12/2011 23:40

smug fucking bastard

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Scarletbanner · 08/12/2011 23:41

http://www.gingerbread.org.uk/content.aspx?CategoryID=727&ArticleID=605 is the latest from Gingerbread on the CSA charges.

I have been frothing at Question Time too! It felt like that there were 3 Tories on the panel. Angry

TheMouseRanUpTheClock · 08/12/2011 23:42

HuntyCat, no!

That means men like that new actor in Eastenders playing a Branning will get away with it, and he is earning a fortune now!

CardyMow · 08/12/2011 23:46

I don't really want to answer whoever anonymous is that put that comment on my blog post...

How the FUCKING FUCK can they write off potentially £3.8 BILLION in uncollected maintenance?! What about the PWC's waiting for those arrears, that may have got in debt on the back of expecting this money back at some point - because up to now, maintenance was not a debt that 'disappeared', it only died when the NRP did, basically, and if there were maintenance arrears, they were taken out of the estate of the NRP - now they PWC's may NEVER get that money.

Tianc · 08/12/2011 23:47

Bingo. Thanks, Hunty.

Right, the IFS doc is "Universal Credit: A Preliminary analysis. IFS Briefing Note 116", dated 2011 but stating "We hope that more of these issues will become clear with the publication of the Welfare Reform Bill, expected in late January 2011."

It says conflicting things.

On p23: "Some income, such as maintenance payments from former partners (which are particularly important for lone parents), currently does not count as income for the purpose of tax credits. This income will be considered as income under the system of Universal Credit, and therefore will reduce entitlement pound-for-pound."

But on p46: "Some workless families currently have unearned income, such as maintenance payments from former partners (which are particularly important for lone parents), income from savings and widows? pensions. Most of these unearned income sources will be treated more harshly under Universal Credit than under tax credits. (note 29)
Note 29: Except for child maintenance, which will not count as income in either system. "

Apologies if my late night skipreading has missed anything important.

So I would say this document is largely speculative and superseded by the actual WRB and the Oct 2011 briefing note in Niceguy's link. And that though there is never any guarantee for the future, deduction of Universal Credit pound for pound with child maintenance is not currently on the cards.

Which is good news. And leaves us free to concentrate on all the other shit in the WRB.

carernotasaint · 08/12/2011 23:49

I am so angry. How dare he. Perhaps someone (from the guardian perhaps) ought to investigate whether this disablist bastard actually puts his money where his mouth is and employs any disabled people in his Next stores and whether they have ever used workfare.

Tianc · 08/12/2011 23:49

Thanks, scarlettbanner, that makes sense.

CardyMow · 08/12/2011 23:50

Well, thank fuck for that - but this latest crap I have found about the CSA arrears being written off, well, that is a House of Commons thing, and it is only from July 2011. I'm going to do a search for any newer info, to check it's not been superceded - but up to now, it is the most up-to-date info I have found.