How very Tory

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Francis Maude, multi-millionaire ex-banker, took thousands of pounds from the public purse when he rented out the Westminster house he owns and bought another one a hundred yards away so that he could claim the mortgage payments on his MPs expenses and get everyone else to buy him another home to add to the four he already had.

That's how much this greedy despicable hypocrite cared about the deficit when he was sucking up public money for himself.
Then is wasn't so much Big Society as Pig Society, with piggy-eyed Francis Maude with his snout in the trough.

How was he punished for his greed? Cameron promoted him.
David Cameron and Francis Maude: 'All In It Together'.
Right up to their effing necks.

He should be in the nick with every other cheating bastard of whatever party

You accuse people of being bi-polar, which somehow suggests they move from one extreme mental state to another when they talk about politics.

Perhaps you mean 'polarised'? Do you mean that people are either very firmly left- or right- wing, and view others as being the same? That's not the same thing as bi-polar.

Funnily enough you'd never find a copy-editing mistake like that in the Mail. Their subs are pretty good.

Oh by the way I couldn't care less what you are middle class,working class, upper class. All people to me. I just cannot stand hypocrisy, and there's plenty about in lefty,liberal households.

All the three major parties are hypocrites. They continually tell the people of this country one thing then do the opposite. Or try to convince the working classes that their shite policies are good for them, and also try to blind them with words, to illustrate the goodness of these schemes. As georgeorwell points out, perhaps some of them cannot understand the terminology used to support these policies in the Guardian.
Does this make the working class persons' views less important?
Governments' have IMO also preached one thing while doing another.
'Send your children to the shite state school down the road, I'm moving to get my little Johnny in a 'good' 'outstanding state school'. Or even better I will send him private, (hope no one finds out...).

At least Cameron is trying to roll back the big brother state, not fast enough for me. He is also a hypocrite, but you can't have it all!

Claig. I couldn't send georgeorwell the Daily Mail he wouldn't understand it, or george would be frothing at the mouth at it's populace views!

Anyway times are hard at the Newsagents and they need to sell all the copies that they have ordered of the Guardian! If I send george one, there will be four left to sell!

'Anyway times are hard at the Newsagents and they need to sell all the copies that they have ordered of the Guardian! If I send george one, there will be four left to sell'

something tells me the newsagent will have to close shop soon, if they keep over ordering the Guardian. What do they do with the 5 copies that are always left over at the end of the day? Do they offer them to the fish and chip shop next door for free?

georgeorwell. If you are working class, I'm very surprised you even look at the Guardian.

Oh please Claig, we don't have 'fish and chip shops' around here! Far to working class, this bunch would be up in arms if anything like that appeared on their doorstep. Around here it's over priced cafes!

Must go and pop out for my copy of the Sun, now that really is a fast selling paper!
Have a nice day.

Claig. They are not left over with 5 copies of the Guardian, that's how many they order!

No fish and chip shops? Do you live in Islington, home of the leading champagne socialist Guardianistas?

Have a nice day.

I haven't been following the Mubarak situation too closely. But it just occurred to me, I bet Mubarak is another socialist.

Just googled it, and wouldn't you know, that he is a socialist, a member of the Socialist International. The Socialist International has just sent him a letter expelling him from the organization. It took them long enough, he has been a member for years.

www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/02/04/socialist-international-kicks-out-mubarak.aspx

Eh? Guardian/Daily Mail, working class/middle class? Thought this thread was about greedy corrupt politicians.

Thanks for bringing this up, Newwave. This sort of thing has to be constantly in the news so that politicians of all parties understand that it is unacceptable, even if they consider it to be within the rules. We're watching them, and holding them to account - and we should never get so immune to it that it doesn't matter. It's our money - the money that we'd like to go into the mouths of single-parent families - that they are stealing!

This is where the DM and the Guardian can find common ground, surely. Let's hope they keep reporting it.

Mubarak could call himself Bilbo Baggins for all I care, Claig.

But Bilbo Baggins was a Conservative. If Vlad the Impaler were around today, the Socialist International would probably give him honorary membership. In fact, some say that he was part of the New Labour project.

oh you lot are amusing. at least claig and comp have a sense of humour unlike frankenstein's Br1de*

will always associate the mail with a woman i saw on the tube reading it who farted dramatically then stared and tutted at the black bloke opposite pretending it was him.

GeorgeOrwel,

Wasn't the great man a product of Eton!

I think the working classes have lost their focus. It seems that Margeret Thatcher and Blair really succeeded in neutering them.

When Blair said "we are all middle class now" it seemed to close down all debate. Instead we talk about there being an under class distinct from the other 80% of us.

To come out and say you are working class and you are a socialist is like saying youv'e got the clap.

The liberal elite are too nervy to support real socialism because they would prefer to "talk about" the working classes rather than "talk to" the working classes.

My father was raised in a family full of communists and I'm afraid years of reading the Daily mail has addled his brain. He voted tory.

He was a man of Eton. But you would never have guessed. No dress sense, no Dave accent. (and dave is said to have toned it down)

Orwell went down the pit and various other working class activities to write about it, I suppose.

Look, Queen, whoever said we were "All middle class" had a very restricted set of friends.

Perhaps a lot of people aspire to MC...(master of clap, ) own house, big car. a fresh condom every jump, holidays in cleethorpes and Egypt. 2.8 kiddy winkies.
A photo of Mrs Logan on the living room wall, heart-shaped body hair styling, never break wind front of the Brigadiers lady. (let her go first)...It all takes a lot of effort just to jump a class. "Gabby"

Queen yeah orwell was a product of eton and then oxford but was politicised by injustice witnessed in the army in colonial burma.

why's saying you're a working class socialist a taboo? if it goes contrary to anything bloody blair spewed then it's all good. i've been living abroad for quite a while now so must be out of the loop (thank god).

this guardian fixation on here by daily hate readers is well suspect though and goes beyond mere goading of its readership methinks.

georgeorwell, are you accusing anyone who pokes fun at the Guardian as being in the pay of the Daily Mail? I think you've been reading too much communist claptrap, too much Gramsci garbage. Didn't you read complimentary's statistics about the papers' circulation figures. Apart from the Sun, I think the Daily Mail is the most popular paper in the country. It doesn't need any help to sell papers. If you've spent any time on MN, you will see that most posters have the same opinion of it as you do. But that only goes to show how unrepresentative MN really is.

Gabby, it was John Prescott who said "we're all middle class now".

When Blair said we are all middle class now. It was like saying the struggle is over.

Just the other week on MN there was a silly thread where the OP asked "am I middle class"
Lots people then tried to justify why they were middle class.

I have just finished The Road to Wigan Pier, at least Orwel did his time living with the workers.

Although even he states "a manual worker if he is in employment has a better chance of hapiness than an educated man"

So in many ways proclaiming you are working class is like saying "I am less educated" It is very hard to get people to take you seriously if they think you are less educated.

The liberal elite who like to think they understand the working class, often turn their noses up when faced with the reality. The working class seem to feel patronised by what I call born again socialists.

claig never even implied guardian haters were in the employ of the mail. reckon it's motivated by summat else.

if it really is the biggest selling rag after the sun then it's even more mystifying the kneejerk defence of it here. and i've read more reactionary posts on MN than illuminated opinions with some notable exceptions.

and how does class equate with education Queen? the most ignorant buffoons i've come across are people from the upper classes in the military.

and why the bad mood claig? wasn't you that woman on the tube perchance was it?

reckon you're a bloke anyway.

so what is it motivated by? By the way, I don't hate the Guardian, I do read it to get some information. I just poke fun at the holier than thou types who think they are superior and more knowledgeable than the rest of the public who read other papers.

That woman on the tube was most probably a Guardian reader.

I'm not a bloke, but I think you probably are, most angry revolutionaries are.

what's a "reactionary" pist? Anything that disagrees with Karl Marx? If you think MN is "reactionary", you need to get out more.

reactionary post

yeah right i'm a bloke who gave birth 5 months ago hence recent discovery of MN and not at all angry. just bit bored with all this guardian bashing.