How very Tory

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Francis Maude, multi-millionaire ex-banker, took thousands of pounds from the public purse when he rented out the Westminster house he owns and bought another one a hundred yards away so that he could claim the mortgage payments on his MPs expenses and get everyone else to buy him another home to add to the four he already had.

That's how much this greedy despicable hypocrite cared about the deficit when he was sucking up public money for himself.
Then is wasn't so much Big Society as Pig Society, with piggy-eyed Francis Maude with his snout in the trough.

How was he punished for his greed? Cameron promoted him.
David Cameron and Francis Maude: 'All In It Together'.
Right up to their effing necks.

He should be in the nick with every other cheating bastard of whatever party

Heck, what do I know? as a middle earner I get screwed by both of them.

Too 'rich' to get the perks help from the governments and too poor to be really comfortable.

It really isn't worth me voting if I just think of myself, is it?

Since when can you say opinion is "the truth"? All newspapers spout their own opinions, picking and choosing the facts that support their opinions and ignoring the inconvenient details that get in the way of a good, provocative story.

But georgeorwell, that is that attitude of so many of the public school educated Oxbridge Guardian journalists. They look down on the working classes, as complimentary showed. They think they know what is best for the working classes, and they are the ones who think that aspiration is "bollox", as they sit in their cushy jobs pontificating on the working classes, after having been educated at Oxbridge.

It is those parvenus and arrivistes who think the working class is thick and "duped". Have they ever been in a working class pub and listened to ordinary people? If they had, then they wouldn't look down their noses at the working class. It was teh working class that voted Thatcher in, because they longed for and aspired for the hope that she offered. It is good working class lifelong Labour supporters like Mrs. Duffy who are called bigots by the professional intelligentsia of the Labour Party. It is Prescott who says "we are all middle class now". They don't care about teh working class, they just use them and dupe them. It is the working class who buy the Sun and many also buy the Daily Mail. That's what angers the Oxbridge educated arrivistes on the Guardian, they fear that they won't be able to fool the working class any longer.

As complimentary pointed out, this Oxbridge educated elite despises the working class, thinks they are all bigots, and thinks they should forget about aspiration and know their place. They think they are stupid, but the great George Orwell knew different. As he said, "hope lies with the proles".

no, as a middle earner you're screwed by the tories first and foremost as they are now the electorate of new labour.

jeez claig i'm not a new labour supporter or groniad reader. quit with the bipolarisms!

new labour is not a leftwing party and stopped serving the working classes' interests decades ago. and the groniad is not affiliated to labour anyway i think you'll find.

claig - do you really think the Daily Mail tells "the truth"?

rabbitstew, you are right, saying that the Daily Mail is the truth is a bit too much. I think it is more accurate to say it is nearer the truth.

PMSL at pig society

But, georgeorwell, you probably like the communist revolutionaries, the rabble rousers. But they also are middle class charlatans, theorists who read Gramsci, Trotsky, Marx and Lenin. They are spongers who feed off the working class and then mistreat them terribly if they ever get into power.

There is a reason that the working class buy the Sun and the Daily Mail, and not the Morning Star. It's not because they are stupid, it's becasue they have a nose for Bolshevik bullshit.

Thing is georgeorwell, I was screwed the most under New Labour. Never been so 'poor' as I was in the last 13 years.

As Labour & Tory have a very fine line between them there really isn't anywhere for me to go IF I were to vote according to my own circumstances.

Of course, what I should really be doing is voting for the good of the country..not myself.

claig "hope lies with the proles". yeah and look what happened to Winston Smith. (reread 1984 if his name doesn't ring any bells).

i hear you re. condescending attitudes to "chavs" which i reckon to be one of the most offensive terms bandied around at present but was certainly not invented by a groniad journo. the rags most down on the poor are those rags mentioned previously (mail, sun etc). the sun is the most insidious and particularly awful as it pretends to be mates with the working clases while it systematically supports parties that shaft them. (whoever uncle Rupe tells them to support).

my mum's family is working class and my nan always read the mirror. thank fuk she was dead when piers bloody morgan took over.

and intellectual non working class left wingers have always existed and are vital (pace george orwell, marx, ENGELS blah blah) and are an essenial component in any imminent revolution!

i am working class claig you obv are not and you don't seem to accept the fact that some of us know when the piss is being taken.

how wonderful though of you to mention Gramsci. he is one of the reasons i made italy my home. whereas you're more of an admirer of Machiavelli evidentemente.

peace and love.

'Of course, what I should really be doing is voting for the good of the country..not myself.'

Deciduousblonde, that's why I vote Conservative. I vote for the good of the country, because that is also for the good of myself. What happens to the country, matters to me too, which is not the case for Islingtonistas. Ordinary people are the country, what's good for the country is good for us, "we are all in it together" apart from the Islingtonistas.

I am middle class, but my parents and grandparents came from working class backgrounds. I'm not an admirer of Gramsci, because I am an admirer of the truth.

If you want an admirer of Machiavelli, then look no further than New Labour. Blair's ex-chief of staff, has just written a book all about it, "The New Machiavelli - How to Wield Power in the ModernWorld"

www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/bookreviews/8111147/The-New-Machiavelli-How-toWield-Power-in-the-ModernWorld-by-Jonathan-Powell.html

You may well be working class, but you and the supporters of the "imminent revolution" are in a minority among the working class, because the working class doesn't trust the frauds who want the revolution, they know that they are only in it for themselves.

'a new labour supporter or groniad reader. quit with the bipolarisms!'

You keep using 'bi polar' on this thread. I wonder why you think it is appropriate. I'm not being PC, btw.

'and look what happened to Winston Smith. (reread 1984 if his name doesn't ring any bells).'

I'd be somewhat stunned if Claig hadn't picked up that reference. Oh wait, it's only the Left that's well-read, sorry, forgot.

i hate new labour claig it's weird you've not twigged that by now so don't think you're gonna surpise me by asserting new labour are machiavellian. i know already. and i get the impression you've been hugely disappointed by peolpe on the left. we're not all the same. there're good and bad just like in any walk of life. it's like blaming you for hitler, mussolini, pinochet, george w etc. actually.come to think of it....

and Abr1de if you don't get the context of my use of bipolar can't be bothered to explain, frankly. stop clutching at straws just because you haven't got any real arguments.

I know you hate New Labour, because you are out on the far left. But you think that New Labour are better than the Conservatives. I don't think that, that's why I mention New Labour.

Hitler was a socialist, a national socialist. Mosley was a Labour MP. Mussolini was a young communist, who edited a communist newspaper.

I am a Conservative, I am against all of these frauds who want revolution. I don't want leftwing frauds to have a revolution and achieve their real goal of imposing a totalitarian regime, as descibed by George Orwell in 'Animal Farm'.

hitler was insane as was mussolini so their schizoid confusion re. politics isn't so bizarre. mussolini was a socialist initially btw and his paper was called "avanti!". some of the most rabid supporters of berlusconi are ex communists/socialists but anyone can profess to be something in callow youth just to rebel.

i, too, can't stand the frauds and i can sniff them out at meetings i go to and give them a wide berth.

i understand you believe people to be inherently self serving therefore you distrust anyone purporting to serve the greater good. we'll haveto differ on that. still stimulating debating though and have already stated elsewhere i prefer a genuine tory to an ambiguous pseudo new labour type any day.

'i understand you believe people to be inherently self serving therefore you distrust anyone purporting to serve the greater good'

I don't think that you and millions of other new Labour supporters and far left supporters are self serving, but I do think that the leaders of these movements are self serving. You only have to look at history to realise that. look what has happened in the past. What they say is not what they mean. George Orwell showed that when he highlighted Big Brother's use of the newspeak language. He knew what these revolutionary leaders were really like, he didn't fall for their lies

"War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength'.

Georgeorwell. The other reason I believe this to be a paper truly worthy of contempt is the following. 'Though it has balked at the governments attacks on civil liberties, the Guardian pioneered New Labour's caring
authoritarianism it was the Guardian that first made the case for greater control of our private lives and opinions.
httplists.fahamu.org

It supported Blair and his big brother army of ministers, in controlling the people of this country. Contempt is to soft a word for this paper!

i agree totally. that's why i use the great man's name on here and not georgegalloway frinstance.

and orwell became disillusioned with the socalled communists after his experiences in the spanish civil war where he witnessed the so called comm's being ordered to turn weapons on the antifascists who wouldn't tow their line.

in fact, orwell was antifascist in the most literal sense of the term.

meant i agreed with claig's last posting

comp don't read it - only charlie brooker's bits

It looks like we are all in full agreement about the Guardian. We're all in it together. Complimentary, could you please send georgeorwell a copy of the Daily Mail, if there are any left in the newsagents, as they do tend to fly off the shelves. Quentin Letts is very good.