When will the BBC be held accountable for their lack of patriotism

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Why does this far-left propoganda group continually try to do Britain down?

Why can't they have more presenters who think like the majority of Brits - people who believe that Britain is truly great - indeed, the best country in the world.

People who believe in our institutions, who love the monarchy, who revere the military, who speak in hushed awe about the majesty of our traditions. Presenters who are over-awed by the silent beauty of our countryside, and the glory of our heritage and history. Why do they always use their sneering, supercilious, Guardianista attitude - this constant insinuation that Britain should always be taking the blame and apologising. Coincidentally, it seems to stem from the same sort of sneering middle-classery that is prevalent on MN...

The most recent, shameful episode is the Beeb trying their best to spoil the England 2018 bid. Now I have no time at all for football - I can't stand it - but I fully recognise how important it is for our economy, and also for our national psyche.

The sooner the BBC withers and dies the better. Sadly, it has gotten away with a miniscule 16% cut in the TV tax over 6 years. They will continue their ramblings for the foreseeable future.

OK, claig, what if we up sticks and change our country? Are we genetically born to change allegiances?

LOL @ John Redwood

Do you seriously rate him?

I just think buffoon. And as it happens I think Alan Johnson is far more intelligent than him. Maggie Vs Gordon? I would say they are fairly equal, although GB is a little aspergers-y, and seemed to show a 'detail and figures' trait and thus may do better on an IQ test.

However, you can't take the findings and necessarily compare individuals. These are group findings and not to say that those who get to the top (for both parties) are thickos. I know you know that though.

No, the English people who live in Spain will still love England more than Spain, because they are English and not Spanish.

So, when you say 'we' you don't actually mean 'all of us living in the country' as you said?

John Redwood is fantastic. Labour knew it and were frightened of him, that's why they nicknamed him "the Vulcan" and their trendy leftie comedians always attacked him. I doubt there will be many jokes made about Alan Johnson, because there is no need to, why bother? he does a good enough job at it himself.

These intelligent liberals, are they the ones who buy the Guardian and eagerly read its editorials, and say "hear hear" to the columns of teh Oxbridge educated class warrior journalists, and then get a shock at election time, when the Guardian tells them to vote for Nick Clegg?

sweep up another generalisation..

but to me the bbc are completely patriotic! to the point of being sychophanic (sp) in the extreme! always been my beef with them

Claig was wrong about us winning the bid , then.
I thought he Panaroma programme was untimely.
I didn't say anything that hadn't been said before. But it was not appropriate timing.

What the real reasons are, that England didn't win the world cup bid, we will never know.

'So, when you say 'we' you don't actually mean 'all of us living in the country' as you said?'

That's right, only a socialist would think that Carlos Tevez loves England more than Argentina or that Arshavin, who was part of the Russian world cup bid, loves England more than Russia, or that Abramovich loves England more than Russia.

I saw this thread title and knew it was you, LFN.

You're James Murdoch, aren't you? And you do know that the first media organisation to 'out' corruption at FIFA (which I presume is what you mean by 'spoil the 2018 bid') was the Sunday Times, a News International company.

And Kim Jong-il reveres the military (to name but one...). Is he the sort of BBC presenter you had in mind?

Oblomov, I was wrong about the bid. I lost money betting on it as well

I didn't fully understand the situation, but I think I now have a better understanding of how it works. I still think the BBC and the Guardian and Channel 4 were all part of the English bid, and I agreed with Putin all along that they were tricks. The difference is that I thought they would work.

Oh, is that about the BBC ruining the World Cup bid.

I would reckon Cameron's schmoozing did more harm than any documentary showing corruption in the voting on a TV channel. Despite what the tories might really want to believe, Cameron comes across as a lightweight, inexperienced and lacking in any depth. They might have got past the first stage of voting if he hadn't stuck his big forehead in at the eleventh hour and left it to David the Beautiful

Putin had the right idea.

Anyone who has worked in sales knows that desperation is smelt out in the first instance.

'Yes Fox News is biased, but it is not run by the state. The public are not forced to pay to be fed the bias of Fox News. They won't be jailed if they refuse to pay for the bias.'

I don't pay the licence fee. I don't have a TV. Get rid if it's such an issue for you.

Have you been to the US with their wall to wall 'World News' that doesn't mention any other country than the US? They get their parochialism for free.

claig, I'm just asking you for some clarity about your ideas.

So it is genetic to feel patriotic about being English? It is in our blood?

So. A half-English, half-Spanish person...? What do they feel, exactly?

I've met Abramovich. Talked Russian to him. Highly powerful man. You think peoples pockets weren't lined by him, in all of this ? Wake up and smell the coffee.

I don't think you can blame the BBC for us not getting the world cup. FIFA clearly wanted to take the world cup to countries and regions that have never hosted it before, blaming the BBC would be wrong.
I do think we need to question whether a stute funded broadcaster is necessary in the 21st century.

Oblomov, yes we know the bid is all about politics. That's why the BBC did their programme and it was allowed to run despite the phony shrieking that it would hurt our bid. That's why Channel 4 News ran an item about racism among Russian football fans, and the Guardian's headline today was "Inside Putin's mafia state".

My mistake was i overestimated how important we are as a country. We spent the most of any country on the bid and threw the kitchen sink at it, with Prince William, David Beckham, and Cameron there for 5 days. No other country came near. I made the mistake of thinking that with all our highest bigwigs there, that the voters would be schmoozed, particularly as Putin didn't even bother to turn up. But I didn't realise just how unimportant we must really be.

I am now a few pounds lighter and a bit wiser.

'I don't pay the licence fee. I don't have a TV. Get rid if it's such an issue for you.'

I pay the licence because I like many of the BBC's programmes. But I disagree with the principle of people being forced to pay and threatened with jail, if there is any possible political bias in what they are paying for.

David Cameron can't schmooze. He survives on personal insults and derogatory comments.

I don't think you can blame David Cameron for us not winning the bid

'So it is genetic to feel patriotic about being English? It is in our blood?

So. A half-English, half-Spanish person...? What do they feel, exactly?'

Yes it is in our blood, just as our family allegiances are also in our blood except in rare cases. A half-English, half-Spanish person would feel patriotic for both countries.

swc - I agree that they shouldn't be broadcasting jokes about disabilities. I do think they apologised and make some efforts (maybe not enough) to not broadcast such material. The irony is that this is more than you would get from another channel like Channel 4. They would make no apologies.