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When will the BBC be held accountable for their lack of patriotism

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longfingernails · 01/12/2010 22:59

Why does this far-left propoganda group continually try to do Britain down?

Why can't they have more presenters who think like the majority of Brits - people who believe that Britain is truly great - indeed, the best country in the world.

People who believe in our institutions, who love the monarchy, who revere the military, who speak in hushed awe about the majesty of our traditions. Presenters who are over-awed by the silent beauty of our countryside, and the glory of our heritage and history. Why do they always use their sneering, supercilious, Guardianista attitude - this constant insinuation that Britain should always be taking the blame and apologising. Coincidentally, it seems to stem from the same sort of sneering middle-classery that is prevalent on MN...

The most recent, shameful episode is the Beeb trying their best to spoil the England 2018 bid. Now I have no time at all for football - I can't stand it - but I fully recognise how important it is for our economy, and also for our national psyche.

The sooner the BBC withers and dies the better. Sadly, it has gotten away with a miniscule 16% cut in the TV tax over 6 years. They will continue their ramblings for the foreseeable future.

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claig · 02/12/2010 19:50

'People on the right who spout this shite mean their type of country. They don't mean all the low life scroungers, single mothers and immigrants. They only love a country according to their rules, which by it's very essence is therefore shite.'

Do you think that the young men and women who fight for their country and who sometimes come back without limbs, don't do it for all of the country? They do it for the sick, the elderly, the homeless, the drug addicts, the prostitutes, the feckless and all of their neighbours, whether they like them or not. They may even be abused by some as the coffins are brought home, but they do it for the country and even for those who don't love their country.

They even fight and die for politicians who they don't agree with and who may not equip them with enough equipment, but they know that these politiicians aren't the country, they know that they are doing it for the country. They may not love these politicians or thoae who abuse them, but they love their country, that's why they do it.

claig · 02/12/2010 19:52

'you actually got scientific evidence to show more right wingers than left wingers love their country?'

I haven't got scientific evidence. But you only have to read MN and you will see how few conservatives don't love their country and how many on the left think that it is a sickness to love one's country.

TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 02/12/2010 19:54

I don't believe that all or most soldiers are motivated by patriotism. There loyalties are far more likely to be at the squad/regiment level. I feel no loyalty to my company, and it shows me none. I do feel personal loyalty to my immediate colleagues and team. I doubt soldiers are terribly different.

LadyBlaBlah · 02/12/2010 19:59

Are you saying that all soldiers are right wing

Have you been on the sauce tonight, claig?

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LadyBlaBlah · 02/12/2010 20:01

BTW I don't think it's a sickness to love your country......it's a free world, you can think what you like, "free from external forces".

You must see the irony in what you are saying?

claig · 02/12/2010 20:03

There are some soldiers who desert from their regiments and go AWOL. It is not because they don't feel loyalty to their particular regiment and might possibly feel more loyalty to another regiment. It is because they do not feel the same loyalty to their country as the other soldiers do. Soldiers in wars become selfless because they are part of a greater cause than just themsleves, they feel loyalty to their country and their people. If they didn't, then they would abscond.

Blackduck · 02/12/2010 20:03

Blimey what a weird thread....

WilfShelf · 02/12/2010 20:06

What is this 'we', claig? What is 'this country'?

That you take these things as self-evident is precisely why I think most but not all right-wingers are just a bit thick. It shows an utter ignorance of history, politics and philosophy.

There is no 'we', there is only the we we decide to be. Which means by default it needs questioning. And there is no 'country', only that which we defend against threat. But a cosmopolitan world view knows it is OK to do this while at the same time accepting change.

claig · 02/12/2010 20:08

Of course all soldiers are not right wing. Tony Benn was an RAF polot in WWII. Of course left wing people are patriotic also. I said that it is natural for the majority to be patriotic and that is true of both left and right. However, it is evident that those few people who are not patriotic mainly have left wing views as opposed to right wing views.

Some posters have said it is sick to love one's country. I am not saying that you said that, LadyBlaBkah.

edam · 02/12/2010 20:10

weird indeed.

The OP cheerfully thinks the BBC should cover up a multi-million pound fraud. And seems not to have noticed the many programmes which cover the countryside, royal occasions, the military... I wonder has longfingernails ever looked at the TV listings? I'm willing to bet the Beeb features more royalty, more countryside and more military stuff than any other channel.

If the BBC has evidence that FIFA is corrupt, they have a clear legal and moral duty to present that evidence to the public. And if FIFA is corrupt, it's far better for football if it is exposed and the causes addressed. Otherwise we might as well just send cash in brown envelopes next time there's a World Cup bid.

LadyBlaBlah · 02/12/2010 20:12

That was a bit weird.......

did you mean this Wink

LadyBlaBlah · 02/12/2010 20:13

Please do note the last paragraph Grin

WilfShelf · 02/12/2010 20:14

Haha, that's a great article LadyB...

We leftie liberals are evolutionarily advanced... Grin

SpringHeeledJack · 02/12/2010 20:16

"...the majority of Brits - people who believe that Britain is truly great - indeed, the best country in the world.

People who believe in our institutions, who love the monarchy, who revere the military, who speak in hushed awe about the majesty of our traditions."

hehehehehehehehehehehehhehehehehe

LFN I love you

don't ever change.

Promise?

claig · 02/12/2010 20:17

'What is this 'we', claig? What is 'this country'?'

The 'we' is the United Kingdom and it is our country. It was our country that fought against the Nazis along with other countries too.

You may think that right wingers are thick, but I think they are right. I think they understand nature, history, politics and philosophy.

'There is no 'we', there is only the we we decide to be. Which means by default it needs questioning. And there is no 'country', only that which we defend against threat. But a cosmopolitan world view knows it is OK to do this while at the same time accepting change.'

There is a 'we' and it is all of us. Is is all of the people in this country, which also does exist. It is teh rich and the poor, the fatcats and bankers, and the doctors and nurses and the charity workers and the homeless and the drug addicts and the criminals. It is all of us. We are all one community and one society. All of us are included, whether good or evil, whether rich or poor. None of us is above another, and we can't decide who to include and who to exclude from the 'we'. 'We' are all one.
Of course we can aceeot change, that's why we showed Gordon brown the door, and voted the coalition in. 'We' all voted, 'we' are a democracy and 'we' decided enough was enough and wanted change.

WilfShelf · 02/12/2010 20:21

I notice you added nature to my list. What do you mean?

So 'we' means, basically, everyone who lives here? Within the geographically defined boundaries? That is what 'our' country is?

pastaplease · 02/12/2010 20:21

Eeeek! Your viewpoint is very odd longfinger, and your use of the 'word' "gotten" is unforgiveable!

Are you secretly and American on a wind-up?

claig · 02/12/2010 20:23

Yes I added nature, because that is what I think it is all about. It is natural to be patriotic, which is why the majority are. That is what I believe. it is only a minority who are not patriotic.

Yes 'we' means every citizen of the United Kingdom, every man, woman and child.

claig · 02/12/2010 20:28

LadyBlaBlah, the article below flatters the liberals egos and that is what they like to believe, but unfortunately it is wrong. The liberals are not more intelligent. The opposite is true. They are being used.

'Liberals do control the media, or the show business, or the academia, among other institutions, because, apart from a few areas in life (such as business) where countervailing circumstances may prevail, liberals control all institutions. They control the institutions because liberals are on average more intelligent than conservatives and thus they are more likely to attain the highest status in any area of (evolutionarily novel) modern life.'

WilfShelf · 02/12/2010 20:32

Why is it natural to be patriotic? In what sense? You mean we're born with it, genetically?

Or do you mean 'natural' in the sense of 'normal'?

LadyBlaBlah · 02/12/2010 20:32

There is a clear 10+ point IQ difference, both in the States and UK Claig - are you disputing the findings?

Who are liberals being 'used' by?

Loving the randomness of this thread

sarah293 · 02/12/2010 20:40

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claig · 02/12/2010 20:43

Yes we are genetically born with it. Just as most if uss are genetically born to love and look after our families, we also are born to love and look after our countries, because our countries are extensions of our families.

'Who are liberals being 'used' by?'

If there is a 10+ IQ difference and the liberals are so smart, then they shpuld be able to see who is using them.

I dispute the difference in IQ findings. Do you really think that Gordon Brown was smarter than Margaret Thatcher or that Alan jJohnson is smarter than John Redwood?