How about thinking of the elderly for a change ?

[ivanhoe]

The middle classes have managed to put their case on the media map because of Child Benefit reductions.

Wheras the pensioners cause has never found a media voice.

So middle England are moaning about losing their Child benefit, and the media are picking up on it and discussing it as a topical issue, because the middle classes are making a fuss.

But hang on a minute ?, the poorest people in this country are not the middle classes, they are the working classes who in proportion to income are paying more taxes than the middle class, and the pensioners on a £5,000 a year State pension receiving a State pension which they have already paid for while working prior to their old age retirement are being ignored, even though the oldest pensioners fought for this country during the War years.

Our elderly people are the generation that government?s have run rough shod over for the past 30 years, this is the generation we should all be speaking up for, and this is the generation who have paid into the system all their working lives, but have to endure a basic State pension of £97 a week, and means tested handouts.

Many woman get less State pension due to lack of contributions while raising families.

It figures you poor soul.

Get thee back to GrumpyPensionersNet.

i thought pensioners got it pretty good ( ont eh whole)

in fact i think that this govt should take a few things off them - means test the rich ones.

My gran is 100 and has stupid amounts of money left over from her State pension, so much so that she gives each of her grandchildren and greatgrandchildren £50 each at Xmas and birthdays.

She is swimming in cash frankly because she doesn't go anywhere and doesn't do anything and eats very little.

I am much more worried about young people who are going to leave university with £20k of debt before they even start. How the fuck are they ever going to get anywhere in life?

Blardy hell it's the MN saga lout. Quick hide

A lot of them have suffered a drop in income g due to the low interest rates we've had in the last couple of years.

true and you should hear the coffin dodgers moan about it too, you point out to them that for every unearned quid they receive from the banks their sons/daughters/in laws have to pay another £10 out their salary's, more money that doesn't get spent on their own flesh and blood.
The response is usually cats bum face or the brats have too much anyway que monty python rant.

Is this another forum invasion then wmmc?

Perhaps ivanhoe could explain why it is okay for currently retired people to complain about having it bad, but people who will never have the opportunity to retire are not allowed to?

But I doubt he/she could- doesn't seem to have many debating skills from what they've typed above.

LadyBiscuit,
There are 280,000 millionaires in the UK - presumably your gran is not one of them.By their standards the state pension is a pittance. Let your gran get some pleasure from giving the £50s to her younger relatives.
Funding students doesn't have to mean skimping on pensions.

The moaning pensioners who complain about the drop in interest income need to remember its the drop in interest rates that stopped house prices going through the floor. Now that really would make them moan if that happened.

Baby boomers, they have had it all and are coming back for more off the next generations. When I talk to my parents and PILs they havent got a clue just how lucky they have been as a generation.

They never fougt in a war, had cradle to grave NHS, the benefits a totally unfunded welfare state, mortgage interest tax relief on their mortgages to buy houses at 3 x an average mans salary which they now refuse to sell at 5 x an average mans salary.

OK a small number fought in a war as professional soldiers but not as conscripts in a major World/European War.

No my gran definitely isn't one of them - she was a seamstress

//////The moaning pensioners who complain about the drop in interest income need to remember its the drop in interest rates that stopped house prices going through the floor. Now that really would make them moan if that happened.

Baby boomers, they have had it all and are coming back for more off the next generations. When I talk to my parents and PILs they havent got a clue just how lucky they have been as a generation.

They never fougt in a war, had cradle to grave NHS, the benefits a totally unfunded welfare state, mortgage interest tax relief on their mortgages to buy houses at 3 x an average mans salary which they now refuse to sell at 5 x an average mans salary./////

What a dick head, im surprised you remember to get up in the morning.

Someone has to to get up every morning to pay for an entire generation to not work for 30+ years.

I wonder how many people have to get up early in the morning to fund Foreign wars, and Foreign Aid ?

I wonder how many people have to get up early in the morning to fund Foreign wars, and Foreign Aid ?

Can you quote any statistics as to how many of those people are still alive please ?
Because generally the poor buggers that lived through the actual wars are dead, I believe there's 6 or 7 WW1 veterans ? And a handful of WW2.
And I find it hard to believe that the British legion wouldn't have supported those people.

Oh I see sorry you are complaining about those bloody foreigners receiving aid or fighting for our freedom (apparently)

I think winter fuel payments and free bus passes and tv licences should be means tested. Especially as child benefit will in effect be. Pensioners are sitting on houses bought cheap, they did not have to stump up thousands to support kids at uni, and they could retire at 60 or 65.

The current pensionsers HAVE NOT been ridden roughshoud over. Their pensions are being paid for by the current workers. Don't think our state pensions are going to be so secure when the time comes (when we are about 75....). They are sitting pretty.

//////I think winter fuel payments and free bus passes and tv licences should be means tested. Especially as child benefit will in effect be. Pensioners are sitting on houses bought cheap, they did not have to stump up thousands to support kids at uni, and they could retire at 60 or 65.

The current pensionsers HAVE NOT been ridden roughshoud over. Their pensions are being paid for by the current workers. Don't think our state pensions are going to be so secure when the time comes (when we are about 75....). They are sitting pretty./////

Naive bull.

The problem with means testing is that its often more expensive to means test than it is to just payout to everyone.

The problem with means testing is that its often more expensive to means test than it is to just payout to everyone.

BUT it's worth the expense for child benefit.
Why are we even on this thread, this pensioner person has clearly been on a silver surfers course and is testing it's various uses, forums being one, no interest in engaging in conversation just hurling insults Alf Garnet style.

The treasury thinks they can means test child benefit and save more money than they spend on the testing.
Both this and the previous Government insisted that means testing pensioner benefits would cost more than money saved. To be honest I've no idea either way

Ive have known for 10 years that means testing pensions cost around 15 times more of tax payersd money, than the restoration of the earnings link would cost.

I also know that the UK's low state pension isnt low due to cost, its because of political dogma.

question op why start a thread an then if someone disagree's with you abuse them?

Where's the abuse ?