aibu to wonder why someone who worked as PR for ITV can now run the country?

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?? explain!

oh look. just stop the arguments! Cammeron has never had to really work hard to get anywhere. It's all been handed to him on a silver spoon. That aside, whether he is dense, clever or what ever/how ever you see it, the man is an arse and no he does not 'deserve' to be doing what he does.

To use his argument of the 'next door neighbour sitting around all day while I go out to work' to pay for him line, I say...thats rich.

I mean why should I work as many hours as him, get paid less, get taxed just 10% less, have to retire later etc, just so that he can swan around and sit on his fat arse laughing his face off all day in Parliment with his chums from school.

Ed Balls is suffering becuase of his supposed alliance with TB, but also becuase he sent out amsses of apperwork stating his allegiance to teh unions.

Now, I am pro union but many are scared away by that, and Ed needed to bring in soemone whose name with the aprty members was less tied in with it all than his own, what with the criticism he has ahd about the unions.

But I like AJ, and I like YC, and I would vote for them (assuming no great scandals etc).

'Er, no ta. far better things to spend it on eitehr in other places or here.'

So why are they doing it? and why isn't Alan Johnson opposing it?

I thought there was commitment they ahve to honeour amde?

And I don;t know why AJ isn;t opposing it; maybe he's not perfect, but then you said you didn;t agree with some stuff done by your lot either.

OTOH DC et al have had a while to plan this now; they were on the news earlier saying tehy ahve been planning this for a very long time.

AJ has had what- a few eeks, and even then less to know the contents.

(BTW dont think no qyuestions are being asked- I read the airport thing on the Labour wepage, in fact)

There was something about it on R4 yesterday, too.

yes but if us two think it is wrong and some commenters on the Labour webpage are asking questions, then why can't Alan ask a question or two about it?

Watch 'This Week' it is worth it.

There is no my side and your side, there is just right and wrong. We have to choose the party that gets more things right than wrong.

It's Friday, claig; buried in there are people losing WTC when they are working, DLA, EMA.... and it was announced Wednesday.

If there are no questions in a fortnight I might be a little more inclined to agree but it does take time.

But in actuality this is p[art where the issue lies IMO

We ahve three main aprties all supporting something you and I, with very different political ideologies, can see is questionable.

Where's the alternative?

So why haven't they cut aid to India then?

And as well as getting things right and wrong (which I agree with) you also have to pick a party that matches your own ideology

To do otherwise would be bonkers.

I found the election depressinga s there wasn;t anyone. Tried Greens- some good stuff there, like CL, but locally- a load of infighting picky so and so's.

Tried LD- nutters banging on my door at night to complain to me I had no right to pull out of helping when I had perfectly good personal reasons (I had just found I was pg, I ahve a history of hyperemesis).

I can't beleive in a Tory ideology. I get what there's is- I was lucky to have a very good sociology teacher who took teh time to do political philosophy woith us all- but it's not for me. Someone ahs to fight for big buiness and all that absolutely;

not me.

My role in life is to fight for the other ones. It's who I am.

Nobody represented that, I felt there was far of a movement toweards that in labour, so we joined and we are trying our hardest to vote in people that fit what we belive in, build something anew and fresh.

There is no alternative. There is only pantomime.

Demonstrations etc. do help because the government is flexible and can change some policies. They all say that they will adapt certain things and they can do that.

No, htere is no alternative yet

if we accept we are poerless in improving things well, we may as well give up posting here hey?

You try. I try. One day, something might happen. Better than accepting it.

I agree with you. You have to pick the party that you think are both best for your interests and the interests of society as a whole. But make sure that they aren't spinning you about their ideology.

Yes demonstrations etc. are good, just don't follow pied pipers.

I think it is very dangerous to believe it is all pantomime

They might want you to believe it is all pantomime but they have real power. To do stuff. To real people. Like we are finding out.

The pantomime is just an act.

I feel powerless at the moment to be honest

AS we discussed earlier, there is a part of Dave that means I think Dave will relish demonstrations, almost get off on them. It's a sign of his power

Claig, I have a philosophy (and religion) degree- I ahve my own developed ideology and take little crap; I get positive joy out of screening candidates etc LOL. My bullshit monitor is pretty honed too.

Most people attracted to labour as members have a shared ideology IME (course there's the Thatcher haters etc too), that's a power base to start with.

Yes of course they have real power. I mean the opposition, Alan Johnson etc., is pantomime. They have a plan and they will carry it out, and the opposition will shout "you lot are nasty" and "yah boo sucks". But the plan will be implemented.

But Gideon what about the Iraq war and support of Bush? What about Caroline Flint telling the unemplyed "work or lose your home"? What about the hundreds of other things that they have done, that Labour supporters would not agree with? Only after 13 years did they find out that Labour supporters had had enough.

Which all emant I did not vote for them last time, and a lot of others too.

So we want something better. And Labour membership has risen since I joined (in August) a lot; new members.

See SWC, my personal absolute priority is 'with an effective safety net'.

That's the clincher for me. Plenty of ways to build a successful state with a shite safety net after all- see pre-crash usa

Yes SWC but as you would not vote Lab without ahcking off your arm, neither would I Tory: I couldn;t, I don;t believe equality is achievable through promotion of big business but through individual sahred responsibility and consideration.

That's not a Tory ethos, at all.

I also belive the state has an important role, and should be safeguarded, not absolutely minimised. That's not tory either: Tory belief is that state removal is filled by private enterprise but private enterprise in the sectors of disability etc often suck- I;ve worked in MH homes where my success at getting people into training proograms were rejected as a danger to the profit margine.

Yet we have concils seeking advice on privatisation of CP services with an admitted raising of the threshold for taking someone into care. i;ve sat on CP panels and argues for 7 year old wandering the streets at 3am to be taken into care with no joy. I can;t support that, sriously a huge no-no for me.