Multiculturalism has failed, says Angela Merkel. Has it failed in Britain?

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"The Approach to build a multicultural society and live side by side has failed, utterly failed". Says Ms. Merkel. Has it failed in Britain? Particularly when we remember that all of the 7/7 bombers were British born? It appears the bombers had no allegiance to this country.
I think it has failed, just as it has in Germany.

There is a huge difference between the UK and the US wrt immigration.

Its far more difficult to get into the US in the first place, Visas are renewed frequently. If you want to be a US citizen you sign allegiance to America and are generally bloody grateful to be there.

You also have to have the wherewithal to support yourself. Nobody goes to America expecting handouts.

That's not what I meant Riven. I meant not being able to have an opinion on homosexuality or immigration, (y'know - normal opinions , nothing outrageous) without being called a homophobic racist bigot.

It should be possible to debate both these issues calmly and intelligently, after all, some political decisions affect eveyone.

QC;

Can you please stop talking to me, I am so not interested in you. And if you carry on accusing me of "stirring" I will report you. I am posting normally on a thread about immigration.

I understand DP's unwillingness to want her dc to go to a school where English isn't the predominant language,
How can anything be taught in a mixed language class?

Sorry and all DP, but actually you've demonstrated over and over again that you ARE a racist homophobic bigot. Why do you object to the label so very strongly?

Unless I am VERY much mistaken, teaching is done in English in English schools. There is no such thing as 'mixed language teaching', except in Wales, and some Gaelic schools.

DP can you not just ignore the comments you don't like and answer the ones you do wish to?

Which schools actually don't have English as the predominant language?

My brother teaches in a state primary school in East London. All the teachers speak very good English, certainly better than his, as do all the children. They are from many different backgrounds.

They even get days off for Diwali, Eid and Guru Nanat's birthday. Where's the downside to that?

I'm quite happy with the British culture un-multiculturalised. I am the daughter of an immigrant who came here because they liked THIS culture. Great that people come and bring parts of their cultures and enrich, etc, but I think the prevailing culture should remain liberal, vaguely C of E (which I am not myself, actually).

ROFL at TLD: that is EXACTLY what DP does when challenged with actual facts and evidence and the real world. Every time.

Riven, as an aside to your post about language. A friend of mine moved down south, from Glasgow, when he was 9. His brother was 7. They have lived her for nearly 20 years. His Glaswegian accent is as strong as the day he moved, his brother has a full London accent, no trace of Glaswegian. Not relevant here, but interesting when talking about children and how they learn speech.

Rubbish, and you know it. People are entitled to have opinions on homosexuality and immigration which are not straight out of Labours rule book. politicians have them, religious leaders have them, are they all racist homophobic bigots?

FIL came here from Jamaica in the 60s. Worked at Ford for 30 years, until it closed. Worked solidly until last year when made redundant in his late 50s. Now he has failing health and relies on benefits. Good job he got his UK passport, or should he be going "home", too?

We're not talking about 'people' DP, we're talking about you, and your homophobic racist views.

Report away DP - feel free.

You are disingenuously feeding the thread with cod statistics and fake facts, with the hidden agenda of getting people over to the BNP. You don't post normally on these issues.

That's why it's important on threads like this to state loudly and clearly that you are affiliated to the BNP and you enbrace their thuggish agenda.

Why do you have to make this about me?

So not fair

Wilf, my ignore comment wasn't a piss take. If DP wants to contribute, then she should but not get into a slanging match.

Unfortunately, these discussions often become slanging matches.

DP your last post sounds like Kevin the Teenager .

Oh god you're right... x 1000

What do you mean by multiculturalism for a start?

If you mean people have kids together then we do absolutely fine. If you talk about racism then yes, there is. And there is everywhere. Brazil is often mooted as the big 'melting pot' - but how many blondes do you see in the shanty towns? Not many I bet.

'Miscellaneous Jewish, Indian, and Chinese immigrants generally seem to get by quietly, by and large, and are often quite well integrated, though they probably experience some low-level hooligan racism and perhaps some degree of institutional racism. Although they maintain large parts of their own culture, it is not usually in conflict with that of native Brits and isn't really a problem.
'- And ironically these are the people who do best in the UK - better than the 'indegenious' people.

Yep, there are scroungers but it's hard to get benefits here if you are from outside the EU.

I personally have done very very well from being of a 'multicultural' background - far better than I could ever have done in another eu country. So I'm all for 'it'.

But we do have racism. Racism happens everywhere and the sign of a civilised society is that there is some system for justice when it happens. It will always happen.

But no idea what multiculturalism means - it might mean being able to buy any food you want 24/7 - it might mean intermixing, it might mean working in an office from people who look very different from one another.

I also disagree with the new administration's cap on high skilled migrants ie those from outside the EU - we've done well with that do date so why change it.

Quattrocentro You are being a bully, stop harrassing MNs who make valid points on this thread. I might not like the party you belong to, and if it's the Labour party I definately do not. The labour party have ruined this country. Many political parties have said multiculturalism has failed , including Trevor Philips head of the Equal Opportunities Commission) so Daftpunks views are a hardly a revelation are they?

I am confused as to why the debate seems to centre around multicuturalism as a concept that isn't already here?

Britain is already a multicultural country. Surely the only debate is about how successfully multicultural it is?

All this talk of 'they can come here if they assimilate' is a little bit stable door, horse, bolted. About fifty years too late, in fact.

Sorry, but DP has 'form' on MN and has been warned not to be inflammatory before.

She responded - as she always does - to QC's informed objection to something she said (ie a reasonable debate) with an attack ['you lefties deserve...]

Many of us have debated these issues over and over again, trying to reason with her and other racists. And it gets nowhere. So I agree with you in principle TLD - in practice, it goes nowhere. You will see.

And ROFL at QC being a leftie