Multiculturalism has failed, says Angela Merkel. Has it failed in Britain?

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"The Approach to build a multicultural society and live side by side has failed, utterly failed". Says Ms. Merkel. Has it failed in Britain? Particularly when we remember that all of the 7/7 bombers were British born? It appears the bombers had no allegiance to this country.
I think it has failed, just as it has in Germany.

I have a black American friend who is amazed that here's no real black middle class in the UK to speak of.

I guess it depends on what you think defines successful multiculturalism. If it's the non indigenous population living the same lifetyle as the ingdigenous - then i would say it is a failure

Large scale immigration to this cuntry, if not desired cannot be stopped, while we are in the EU. Many other countries wish to join the EU and they total 152 million, so even if there is a cap on immigration, it will not stop people seeking a better life here from the EU. I don't believe we have a ulticultural country anyway, as outside of the large cities it is mostly indigenous English, Scots or Welsh.
I don't believe large scale immigration as we have seen it in the last 13 years of labour have benefitted this country at all. Many groups of foreigners are now totally segregated into their own communities and there is little mixing.

It has however benefited big business as they can employ people on low wages, instead of employing the indeginous on higher wages.

I however believe some migration has been good, in bringing in skillled workers, scientists etc, but large scale immigration has had impacts on housing,education,hospitals, that is why the
That is in part why the labour party lost the last election. It had an 'Open Door' policy and the public knew this. Blair/Straw orchestrated this policy, and it was known for years, Obourne writes about it in his book 'The Rise of Political Lying.
I believe Angela Merkel is now speaking out on the issue, as there has been a rise of the far right in Germany, and she has also had complaints from the Christian Democrat Party, saying she is not conservative enough.
Merkel also opposes Turkey, joining the EU as she knows many Turks will head to Germany as they already have, 4 million Turks already live there. That is along with 12 million other foreigners they have there already. Like I said I believe very small immigration can work, but not on the scale that this country has seen.

QC;

Your post so ridiculous I wasn't even going to acknowledge it. However, just to prove how out of touch you are;

read this

Labour totally fucked this country up with their immigration policy, (or lack of one) and lefties like you deserve all you get.

I don't want my kids in a school where half the kids can't speak English, infact, I sold my soul to Barclays Bank to make sure that never happens.

Riven in many cases a person who has no skill i.e. a cleaner comes here stays 5 years tries for indefinate leave of stay-gets it, then applies for a British passport, this entitiles them to benefits, they can also bring in 'dependants' wife plus 4 kids, they can then claim housing,education,health care, and that is what is impacting on society. Plus large scale immigration impacts on local communities by say replacing the local British legion with a Mosque, this is when the poor working class people get angry, vote agianst the Labour party and boot them out!
This does not of course take into account the 28 EU countries who can move back and forth freely.

daftpunk Read the link was most interesting.

I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding of multiculturalism and monoculturalism. Noone is saying lets noit have people from elsewhere, they are saying that a united culture is better than lots living side by side. I agree.

I think if you want to live in Britain then you must conform and integrate. If you want to smoke fish in your front garden and dance naked round a fire, like you did in your homeland, then stay there. I love lots of different nationalities but think multiculturalism is an illusion.

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What's the point in voting for anyone when 80% of our laws are created and enforced by the EU?

Also no good will come of multiculturalism, it's okay to have a few different people dotted here and there but when the segregated community compromise indigenous populations then people feel that they have to defend Britain and Britishness.

Hahahaha to a non eu person coming here as a cleaner

If you knew anything you would know how difficult it is for non eu people to come here to work

The employer has to show that not only are there no Brits who can do the job, there aren't any eu people either

Your hypothetical cleaner would have a hard time getting in never mind staying

Different if the cleaner had British family perhaps or was from the eu

Please stop spreading lies about how people from whereveristan are coming in as cleaners, then bringing in their 8 wives and 57 kids, going on benefits and getting hb to rent Blenheim palace

Compromise indigenous populations? We're not the Dodo, you know.

daftpunk, that 80% stat is a well known fallacy.

How do we keep the thick immigrants out, give them a test? Should we also test the waster "indiginous" people?

The US is a melting pot, meaning that everyone should go in different and come out the same. What's the point in that? If you didn't have different cultures, you wouldn't have all the different foods, music, arts, history etc.

But we can only allow in the rich or highly skilled? What about builders, who turn up on time, work hard and are reasonably priced? What about cooks, cleaners, road sweepers, etc? If the "immigrants" don't do it, the lazy white folks won't, so who will?

chibi...there are instances where rare cases slip through. As for non eu immigrants you only have to spend an hour at the local maternity hospital to see what a drain these non English speaking women are on resources.

I think Mr andMrs Smith wouldn't care who came here as long as they fit in and spoke English. It does make me wonder why people come here at all if they have no desire to be British and just want to create a mini homeland wherever they go. It does swiftly lead me to think benefits, housing, health etc is given to freely and too quickly.

TLC...I am talking about the changing high streets, people feeling like foreigners in their own towns. And everyone has a born right to be here whatever they're like, but not every person who wants to come here should.

Having different foods, cultural influence is great, having pockets of the community who hate and never mix with the British is, frankly, pretty shit.

Posie, you'd rather have EU immigrants who don't speak English working here than Aussies, Kiwis, South Africans, Americans or Canadians?

I agree that people should integrate and learn each other's cultures. But how welcome do the people born here make the immigrants feel?

Say I claim asylum as I've escaped from a war torn country and I am housed on a council estate. Instantly I feel alienated and apprehensive, how welcome do the neighbours make me feel? Not very, I'll bet. Would you want to integrate with people who make no secret of wanting you out?

I think the distance between cultures is important to consider as well.

Australians, Canadians and Americans have very few problems integrating - they already speak the language, and have almost exactly the same sort of culture and the same language.

Italians, Germans and French have similar culture but different language - but they can get by very easily, and aren't really resented, if they speak English and don't isolate themselves off completely. They have similar wage expectations in their own countries, and so don't cause too much displacement by coming here for economic reasons.

Eastern Europeans like Poles are culturally similar to Brits in many ways, but because of the wage differentials cause economic resentment.

Miscellaneous Jewish, Indian, and Chinese immigrants generally seem to get by quietly, by and large, and are often quite well integrated, though they probably experience some low-level hooligan racism and perhaps some degree of institutional racism. Although they maintain large parts of their own culture, it is not usually in conflict with that of native Brits and isn't really a problem.

Social resentment is often directed at those from immigrants from countries like Bangladesh, Somalia, Nigeria and Pakistan. All the social indicators (educational levels, free school meals eligibility, etc) are very bad for these people.

I think everyone is different - but even broad trends within groups need to be carefully differentiated. There is little point lumping together a young Australian backpacker working in a bar to fund their travels to an Iraqi asylum seeker when we are discussing the issues that multi-culturalism brings up.

But if non EU immigrants are blocked, then Australians, Canadians and Americans won't be able to work here.

And as for social resentment. Do you honestly think that the local bigots say "hello Mr Immigrant, where are you from? If it's India, that's ok, but if it's Bangladesh, you can get out?"

Somehow the anger is anyone who looks different. Typical.

There also needs to be a distinction made between immigrants, illegal immigrants and asylum seekers. Lumping them all together as "not one of us" means we end up with social resentment. Ignorance breeds hate.

Ignorance is at the heart of all of this, I sadly feel.

TechLovingDad It's not that simple.

Bigots are going to be bigots. They won't like Chinese, Indian, Bangladeshi, Jamaican, Somalian, Korean or Nepalese immigrants, solely on the basis of their skin colour. Not much you can do about it.

I suspect many people worried about multiculturalism like eating in "Indian" restaurants (the majority of which are owned by immigrants from Bangladesh). Those Bangladeshi immigrants, through their entrepreneurialism, have presumably paid large amounts into the Exchequer, and I like having them in Britain.

Similarly, I am sure there are lots of Indian immigrants, as well as French immigrants, South African immigrants, New Zealand immigrants etc. who sponge off the State. None of those are welcome, in my opinion.

There is no point trying to reason with bigots. They aren't going to become less bigoted.

There is a point trying to reason with people who aren't bigoted, but who feel that Labour's surge of low-skilled immigrants have seriously impacted this country for the worse.

There are the usual economic arguments I have outlined above. Things like pressure on public services and housing also fall into this category.

However, there are also social arguments - which is where "multi-culturalism" comes in. If immigrants don't speak English, don't interact with the native community in any way, form their own enclaves, and try to bring deeply regressive social practices into this country, then we should not excuse it, fearing the "racism" card. We should confront these issues.

OK, so if the immigrants are such a drain on public services and housing, why are the coalition targeting those exact things? Why take even more from the "poor white working class"?

And, moreover, why would the "poor white working class" vote for them in the first place?

Ignorance and bigotry.

Dp, I think it is relevant to a debate on immigration for people on the thread to know that you are a member of the BNP. It puts your posts into context. I'm sorry if you object to being outed, but you've not previously made a secret of your political affiliations.

My old boss now works with refugees, teaching them basic IT skills. They also learn English and get help with getting work at the end of it.

As refugees, they are here because they have escaped wars and have been through horrific experiences. As a civilised nation, I'm glad we don't just turn our backs on these people. Also, when they work, they are giving back and can get off benefits. How is that a bad thing?

It still won't stop the lazy English people who claim from claiming or make them think "oooh I should try to work, too".

TechLovingDad You are being argumentative for no discernible reason.

It is unquestionable that immigrants put pressure on housing and public services.

Personally, I think that is fine if they have more than paid for the public services they use.

I have already said that I disagree with the coalition's cap on high-skilled migrants. I would also allow in any unskilled immigrant businesspeople who create at least 5 new jobs.

If immigrants have been net takers from the State instead of net contributors though, then what, exactly, is the point of Britain having them?

Lol posie I am one of those massive drains on maternity services having had 2 babies after working and paying a not inconsiderable amount of tax for a decade

Does the number of british children I have helped educate, the money I have spent in the economy, the taxes and ni contributions I have made over the last decade mitigate my shameless resource grab?

Probably not

Or does it not count as I am white and from a so called first world country

I have found that this changes perceptions

I have heard many an anti immigrant rant be tempered with o we don't mean ones like you chibi

Would they say the same if I were Nigerian or Bangladeshi I wonder