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Depressed lefties - what now, is there any hope?

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electra · 12/10/2010 20:52

I hate what this government are doing. All the sh*t about 'if you're poor/disabled' we'll look after you - yeah right, by designing a test which tries to make people who are disabled look like they're not. Everything else too.

Do you think Ed Miliband will lessen the chances of us being stuck with the tories for another 5 years? I can't bear them.

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Eleison · 13/10/2010 12:13

I wonder if the most interesting thing about the AV ref might not be the scope it gives for LibDems and Labour to work together -- both in the parliamentary vote and in the referencum campaign (if it gets that far). That will be a context in which LibDems opposed to the govt might feel more empowered to realign with Labour, either by voting against govt or in some cases perhaps by leaving their party?

LadyGlencoraPalliser · 13/10/2010 12:15

Well, yes, but even AV would be better than nothing. Right now I live in a constituency where voting anything but LibDem or Tory is wasted. At least with AV all the natural Labour voters could stop voting tactically, although I agree that AV in a single-member constituency is still pretty much a waste of time.

LadyGlencoraPalliser · 13/10/2010 12:17

That's a point Eleison. Personally, I'm interested to see which Lib Dem MPs will be prepared to align with Labour on the fees issue. That will show a lot about who's got the guts to stick with their principles. Not many, I expect.

Sonnet · 13/10/2010 12:22

I have not read all of this thread - as I need to jump in and make my point.....

I don't understand why the coalition bashing for the cuts that are being made - and no, I don't like them or think they are fair in some cases - BUT it was Labour who got us into this mess....Why blame those who are trying to get us out?

Hullygully · 13/10/2010 12:22

BUT it was Labour who got us into this mess

hahahahahahahahahaaha. Mug.

cinnamontoast · 13/10/2010 12:22

Can't stand the way it's perfectly acceptable to vilify a group of ordinary people banded together to try and not starve to death/betrodden all over.

Hurrah for Hullygully! Perhaps there is a glimmer of hope after all.

tokyonambu · 13/10/2010 12:23

", I'm interested to see which Lib Dem MPs will be prepared to align with Labour on the fees issue. "

Remind me, which party set up the Browne Review, established its terms of reference and set in place its composition? Oh yes, Labour.

Hullygully · 13/10/2010 12:23

Sorry, that was a bit abbreviated.

The international banking system got us into this mess.

Thatcher deregulated the finance sector.

So, er....

cinnamontoast · 13/10/2010 12:23

Total side issue but just seen EdM on PMQ. When did he acquire a streak of white hair and a lisp?

SanctiMoanyArse · 13/10/2010 12:25

I don;t ahve a problemw ith a party called Labour being associated with the unions TBH

Unions amtter; unions are full of normal, average working people trying to protect themselves.

Now, some of the union leadership might have a rep but that can be worked with.

Hullygully · 13/10/2010 12:26
tokyonambu · 13/10/2010 12:27

"Thatcher deregulated the finance sector."

Labour had thirteen years, and a soi-disant economic genius in number 11 and then number 10, with which to improve matters. What did they do, again?

DandyDan · 13/10/2010 12:28

Another depressed Leftie signing in...

Hullygully · 13/10/2010 12:29

They improved the lot of the poorest members of our society. The saddest thing was that they had to do it by stealth, they couldn't publicise their successes in case people shouted "socialist" at them.

GetOrfMoiLand · 13/10/2010 12:31

'labour got us into this mess'

Don't believe everything you read in the Murdoch press, mate.

darling and Brown are widely believed to have saved us all from a massive global meltdown a couple of years ago. Widely believed OUTSIDE the UK, that is.

I would like to wonder what kind of state this country would be in without the unions, tbh. Some sort of haclyon paradise for the tories, I expect (pay the workers what you like, treat them like shit, profit profit profit)

SanctiMoanyArse · 13/10/2010 12:31

Is funny you know; if you criticise a tory policy people rightly ask why labour never sorted it.

If one questions a policy that lab held, one gets jumped on for questioning ConDem responsibility on it as they never established it

Hullygully · 13/10/2010 12:39

It's not funny.

tokyonambu · 13/10/2010 12:41

"darling and Brown are widely believed to have saved us all from a massive global meltdown"

Brown might have got more credit (and I speak as someone who voted Labour in every general election since, and including, 1983) had he not been an obvious mentalist who went around calling his own voters bigots. And Labour might have got more credit had they not arranged a coronation of an obvious mentalist.

There's a great line in Chris Mullin's new book of diaries. In the aftermath of the 2005 election, Blair is supposed to have said, referring to his time as an advisor to Roy Hattersley, "I was loyal through three defeats; all I am asking is for people to be loyal through three victories". Blair won three general elections, even in the face of the supposed outrage about Iraq. Brown lost, catastrophically, to a half-way convincing Tory lightweight, trashing Labour's hard-won reputation for economic competence, sound policy on crime and (especially) approach to immigration on the way. A lot of Labour MPs who lost their seats might like to ask themselves why they assented to the coronation of a man who was obviously, laughably unelectable from the off, and why they allowed disloyal scum like Ed Balls to plot to install their hopeless master.

There are any number of people who could have stood for the leadership the Labour Party had Blair wanted to step down (and there's no evidence he actually did). Perhaps Brown would have won, in which case he would at least have had some legitimacy, perhaps he wouldn't. But Labour never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity, so did the easy, quiet, stupid thing and installed him unopposed. Their self-indulgence (along with their corruption, see scum like Margaret Moran) lost the last election. That, and attitudes to immigration that made Marie Antoinette look in touch.

SanctiMoanyArse · 13/10/2010 12:42

Ok

is incredibly annoying and biased, and frustratoing that people think we can't see through such shite.

Axe gone now? Grin

Hullygully · 13/10/2010 12:43

tokyo - look, they're all self-serving cunts basically, it's the nature of the beast. BUT at least under a vaguely socialist govt poor people get the odd few coppers thrown to them.

Eleison · 13/10/2010 12:44

I'm not sure that calling people mentalists and scum is better than calling them bigots. It certainly isn't a very compelling way of analysing labour's defeat.

Hullygully · 13/10/2010 12:45
GetOrfMoiLand · 13/10/2010 12:45

Tokyo - didn'y you find the Chris Mullin diaries the most depressing read ever.

It was like a drip drip drip of sheer exhausted and disenheartened misery, especially towards the end.

I admire Chris Mullin hugely, but the life just seemed to seep out of him. He should have stayed in parliament I reckon.

(sorry for hijack, nobody else I know has bloody read it and I thought about that book for weeks after I read it)

SanctiMoanyArse · 13/10/2010 12:45

For quite possibly the first and only time I agree with tokyo in that I don;t think GB could ever have been right for a job which is as much about charisma as anything else.

I rather like A J but he never went for that or teh leader role after the defeat. no doubt wisely. I personally suspect Ed gets the desert years then we find the True Leader (I did vote for Ed though so no disrespect to him, I think tehy were all in that place tbh).

His being ill suited to Leaderhip doesn;t necessarily detract from some good moves as Chancellor however.

GetOrfMoiLand · 13/10/2010 12:46

Lol at hully's scurried gathering in of cunts Grin

Christ it didn't take long for this thread to unravel.

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