These tea party people....

[Hassled]

Nutters? In this BBC blog, one woman says "This progressive agenda (Obama's economic policies) has progressed to the tipping point in the United States, where we either stand up for the constitution of the United States or we accept socialism, tainted with Marxism."

How can she interpret Obama's policies as socialism tainted with Marxism? Is it just down to lack of education? I really, genuinely, don't understand. I don't understand the fear they seem to have. And they're doing well - they've got the Delaware Senate nomination, NY, Nevada, Colorado, Florida, Kentucky and Alaska. Meanwhile they're being funded by billionaires who clearly have a vested interest keeping the focus on tax cuts for the rich.

I don't know what my point is really - I get that many people want smaller government, lower taxation, less govt spending etc, but that view is already well represented. I don't get this extremism.

Why are you talking about Iraq? i abhor what happened with Iraq, and what continues to happen there. That's why i don't vote labour.

If the govt are so compassionate then why have they disconnected benefit for families from need for the first time since the formation of the welfare state, and given the money saved to people who mostly don't need it, married couples. AFAIK being married does not in itself attract a cost, having children does. Yet they take the money from the poorest children in society, and hand it to married couples - including wealthy pensioners, childless couples, lords, millionnaires etc.

It;s just wrong, I don;t understand how anyone can say otherwise.

I'm glad you don't vote Labour. I hope this government will be more compassionate than Tony Blair was.

No government is perfect, as we saw with the last lot. This one won't be different in that respect. But painting them and their supporters as monsters who lack compassion and revel in the suffering of people in need is a caricature.

Huhne has said that they may have to go easy on the cuts if the recession worsens. They are talking tough to reassure markets that they will be able to pay back the debt. But they will ease up and help people who are suffering. They are not heartless people. We may even find that they turn out to have more heart than Tony Blair.

I dunno claig. I've had a sad day today, and maybe it is colouring my view. I hope that your ideas of a wealthy and compassionate utopia with excellent universal healthcare, and loads of jobs and prosperity for everyone comes to pass. But I don't think it will, the first announcements (based on ideology rather than need ie take from the "bad" to reward the "good" so very little in the way of actual savings) point clearly that this govt will have standard right-wing ethos at it's heart.

I really hope I'm wrong, but I feel in my heart that I'm not. I honestly believe that children are going to suffer terribly, and worse. That the poorest in society will be punished for the misfortune of being born on the "wrong side of the tracks" and that the people born into wealth will be richly rewarded for their stunning good luck.

I don;t know what to do with myself TBH.

Don't forget that there are Liberals in the Coalition. It is not a coalition of swivel-eyed rightwing maniacs as progressives like to paint it.

Michael Gove is a good person. He was adopted and knows that he has been lucky in life. Here is the progressive, Michael White, of the Guardian, saying that Gove's plans to give a leg-up to poor children is worth a try

www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2010/sep/14/michael-gove-leg-up-poor

I never used to like Gove, but after giving him a fair listen, I am very impressed with him. I think he has integrity and good intentions, something that has been very rare over recent years.

These politicians are not monsters, they realise that they have a duty to serve the people and the country. Many of them are already millionaires, they're not in it for property portfolios and book deals as others were.

Conservative voters are your neighbours and people who serve you in shops. The largest proportion of votes cast were for the conservatives. They are good people, people who believed that the progressives were wrong and had harmed the country. They wanted to try something new.

Cameron, Osborne, Gove, Clegg et al. aren't monsters. They are trying their best. There are monsters out there, there are eugenecists who really do think that they are superior to the public in the street, and they really are uncompassionate, but they hide it under a caring, compassionate exterior. You won't find many of them amongst Tories. It would surprise you where you would find them.

I know conservative voters, my in-laws are daily mail reading tories, they are good and kind churchgoing people. But they do have a bit of an edge suddenly when you talk to them about certain things. The usual, daily mail things.

I am a bit surprised that you think that people who are already millionairres have no interest in enhancing their wealth further. In the expenses scandal all of the parties came off badly. The extremely wealthy were milking the system with all the enthusiasm of the less wealthy. The rules allowed it, so I'm not surprised they took advantage. Very few came out clean.

The liberals in the coalition don't seem to be tempering things much so far.

I am honestly dismayed at the benefits cap. And then the giving of that money to people with no need. I will never understand that approach. I can't understand why people support it. They talk of "scroungers breeding" as if they are animals. It is real actual people who are going to be affected, and if people can't bring yourself not to loathe them, can't they see that the real people being punished are the children? Why don't people care? You can't convince me that they do, because they don't. There have been threads on here saying that "scroungers" who "breed excessively" should have their children removed. Not much compassion there. And not very cost-effective either.

Claig 'more heart than Tony Blair' Tony Blair was a bastard (sorry but that's how many feel). He could not care less about this country or its people, that is why he and his pal Straw orchestrated the multicultural society that does not exist.This was done to help big business and create artificialy low wages, but forgot that schooling, housing, education would all be effected, and it was the poor who would pay. and to put his fingers up to Lord Snootys in the Tory party. That man did not have one ounce of patrotism in his whole body! He is the reason we sent our boys into Iraq, killing over 300 of them. He withdrew civil liberties from his own people, he must rate as one of the worst politicians this country has ever seen. The labour party was the worst politically for many years. The labour party brought in laws that
criminialised young people (as young as ten) for name calling, under the hate crimes policy. Straw wrote to every mosque in the country and told them vote for us and we will bring in hate crimes. At least the coalition will go some way to give us back civil liberties, and also the pride we once had in this great country.

To be honest I'd rather have millionaires in power, who are not easily bought, than "cabs for hire" like some of the ex-Labour ministers. Have you noticed that most people who talk about "breeding" are left-wingers and greens? Good churchgoing people dpn't say things like that. The rightwing Catholic Church don't say disgusting things like that. It is the Sir this and that, the much applauded green gurus who talk about restricting the size of people's families.

These people are influential and we should always be on our guard for these people. The "don't expect us to feed your kids" was disgusting and may possibly have their fingerprints on it, or it may have been a diversionary tactic from the coming cuts. We should always be on our guard.

complimentary, like you, I am no fan of Blair and the last government. I was taking the mickey about Blair's heart. Does he have one?

complimentary please expand on what you mean by "He could not care less about this country or its people, that is why he and his pal Straw orchestrated the multicultural society that does not exist."

claig on MN the people who talk about others "breeding" are conservative / other right wing people who are explaining why the benefits cap is the right thing to do.

they aren't. Look at the thread that you recently replied on. It was not a right winger. Read up about these eugenecists. Look into the green movement. Read Sir Jonathon Porrit's writings and you will see who wants to restrict family size and stop people having children. Look at who takes freedoms and civil liberties away and who restores them. Look at who has a controlling, bullying nanny state and who lets the people breathe and be free. Look at who is conning you and who is for real. The liars, cheats and spinners are very sophisticated, they know all the tricks about how to fool people.

They most certainly are claig.

And the worst thing is, that this new regime is already bringing out the worst in people. Otherwise pleasant people are suddenly talking about the need to stop providing for children born to large unemployed families. There is a change in the air, and it is for the worse. Every man for himself, people are starting to behave differently out and about.

The other thread that you are referring to is not the only one where people are talking about children in those terms. it is all over the place.

And I don't know what that person#s politics is (on the other thread) but her posts make me feel extremely uncomfortable. Whatever she stands for it is most certainly not the same as me. Anyone who advocates restricting money for feeding children is not someone that I can have any truck with.

I agree with you. It is elitists who influence ordinary people into having less children. They can use the media to con the people into anything. They are the same elitists who really controlled and founded the green movement. They can con the people to believe anything. It's not really ordinary people's fault that they start spouting what elitists tell them. Start googling on the internet and you will find who advocates these policies politically and you may even find out who the elitists are who control these movements. It is the same mentality that allowed the Irish people to starve in the Potato Famine. It was elites then, and it is elites now. Except that now, the elites control the movements that con the public.

ISNT. The multicultural society does not exist, as only 5 percent of this country are from ethnic minorties, peopleromother countries do live of course in many clusters in major cities in Britain The major cities have more people from other countries than the countryside, that is why it does not exist.Labour politicians liked to call this land multticultural so that they could justify unlimited immigration,to their credit they did manage this policy. If Straw or Blair cared about the people of this country he would not have tried to dismatle the British culture and replace it in many areas with a foreign one, much to the detriment of the people whom he effected. In many areas across Britian, many British do not even recognise the country they once grew up in. I suppose I have made mysef very clear, have I not?

But the elite are in power.

I'm tired anyway claig, I'll leave this for tonight.

CLAIG Sorry, ranting on about Blair, but I just cannot stand the man.

ISNT. Should be 'people of other countries' first line.

Puppets are in power. The elite are always in power.

complimentary, I love your passion. I know what you mean about Blair.

Claig I do agree with ISNT on children. We must protect children who are from poor families and do not have the benefits or life chances that others have, these children are our future. It is not morally right to penalise the children for the sins of the parents. I was poor when I grew up, lost my mother when I was ten and my father was unfortunatley a single parent. It was extremely difficult for him, as the benefits then were not as 'abundant' as today. I feel children and the elderly always come a long way down the pecking order, for whatever government is in power. Sometimes it does feel as if the poor are blamed for just being poor.
I hope Cameron is sincere when he talks of the 'Big Society* I sincerely feel it helps everyone if we care just a little more about others, and how our behaviour effects them.
(Sorry about the life story, (get out the violins!) Goodnight.

complimentary I agree with you 100%. It is the people that count, nothing else, and the rich are no better than the poor. If we give poor people a top education, they will nearly always outshine the rich. That's why I believe in grammar schools that gave exceptional people like Margaret Hilda Roberts a chance and she showed the toffs what could be done. I remember you saying that your family are of Irish stock and your parents or grandparents came from a family of 10. That is fantastic. I support the Catholic Church because it supports people, families and human life. I don't like greens and Sir Porrits etc. because they are at heart against human life.

Goodnight

complimentary are you a namechanger?

ISNT. That is for me to know and you to find out!.
Claig I don't believe that poor children will outshine the rich, I think that children are children, and having been poor, and now living in a very affluent area, and my children attending a school with 'affluent' children, I feel all the children are basically the same. The difference is some are privaledged and have access to privaledge. I did'nt. For instance I'm considering sending my son to an independent school, not because he will become a member of an elite, it is because I feel he will have a better education. I feel that the public schools (who can set their own curriculum) teach traditional English values, they are not tainted by socialist teachers who have manged now to stop teaching the history of this great country.

An article in todays Telegraph states that thousands of pupils were denied the right to sit history GCSE.It was not on the curriculum. Apparently the Govt has appt Faulks a writer, who has a 'meticulous knowledge of history' to sort out this problem, Faulks states that "teachers have created the first generation for 150 years who know less than their parents".

This disgraceful shambles is now being sorted out by Cameron and Co. This is why I will send my son privtely because socialism has ruined teaching. I feel sorry for those who cannot afford the public school route for their children. P.S. If I was a millionaire I would give money to those who are poor and bright so that they too could obtain this education, which I might add was denied to me.

Oh I see.

Well this is the second thread that I have seen you make racist / xenophobic / offensive comments about minorities and so I will not be responding to your posts in future.

agree with you complimentary. But I knew girls at grammar from poor backgrounds and they were some of the brightest in the school. With a real level playing field, a meritocratic society and a quality education, poor children can confound pessimistic expectations. That's why it is good that we have Gove in charge of education. Now we will see some real social mobility as he sorts out our education system.

ISNT. If anyone racist it's you. I state facts, whilst you, while having some minor knowledge of politics, sput what you think others would like to hear, your main strength or should I say weakness is your penchant for insulting people with baseless remarks. I believe you bring out the worst in those who post here. To Claigs credit he has never insulted you, whilst you have patronised him. I would be very glad if you never responded to me ever again, I don't like being bullied, or accused of things I don't commit. I like corresponding with Claig as he responds in an adult way and does not resort to name calling which unfortunately is one of your strengths. (in your eyes).

I only correspond with civil people, thankyou.
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