Lily Philips - can she be a 'true' Christian?

[mids2019]

https://www.premierchristianity.com/opinion/lily-phillips-has-been-baptised-i-pray-its-accompanied-by-change/20772.article

This article made me think about what it means to be Christian especially about the concepts of sin, judgment and redemption.

In my view Lily of course is a Christian being baptised but to not give up a lucrative adult film career possibly does cause angst amongst more traditional Christians.

We are taught not to judge 'Let those without sin cast the first stone' and to accept the universal unconditionally of forgiveness. (We pray every day about the forgiveness of sin) so it is difficult thologically to condemn others.

However does any fellow Christian need to remind Lily she makes money from a profession where many women with less choice are coerced and manipulated for thr gratification of men? Wr have moved away from a less judgmental Christianity but how do you view participation in Christian life with such a job?

I think I've been very, very clear right through this discussion, but that's alright. Enjoy your day!

Getting back to the original topic.

This was touched on earlier but not expanded...or perhaps someone did
mention it.

Revelations states that Jesus will kill Jezebel and her children having given them ample time to repent. Well, that is not their children and they represent falsehood and followers – However, this need to repent is there for everyone.

I think the poster who mentioned this left out that that Jesus gave them ample time to repent. This killing is a spiritual death and they won’t be killing anybody unless they pass at end times. I think it really means that they will not gain eternal life. Revelations 2:20-25.

Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works

If this was not a stunt I do wish Lily well with her Christian journey.

Errr, no, but don't worry about it.

Quote : "That suggests, to me, that the police did do some investigation into whether Holohan had any prior connection to Jacqui Poole and her circle. To be fair, it's far from conclusive, so maybe I am reading too much into it, and the police didn't look into it. Taken at face value, it suggested to me, upon reading, that they had."

She phoned the Police. The Police went to talk to her. The Police went away.

If the medium is claiming she gave them what they needed, it was a bit too late, because they already had their suspect. Folk in the pub gave the Police a name 3 days before the medium even called the police. And the medium lived 1.3 miles from the pub.

What was there even to investigate?

So the Bible is wrong then ?

That is, the words written in the Bible don't matter, because who ever wrote those words did not mean what they wrote, they meant something else almost completely different from what they wrote, while being inspired by the entity that designed and built the universe.

Think about the original Jezebel she is physically dead. So when Jesus returns those who followed them who are living their life will physically end but it will end for all of us living as we know it.. Those who are dead spiritually will not get eternal life. Those who will live on will get eternal life. That is pretty much it in basic terms. There may be some heightened tension- but simply life as we know it will end for all humans.

@RedTagAlan

The medium herself has never claimed that she gave them what they needed. All she did was go to the police and share her experience of what the deceased individual (Jacqui) was allegedly communicating to her. The medium has never claimed herself that the information she gave was instrumental in the murderer (eventually) being arrested.

However, one of the principal police officers involved in the murder investigation (Tony Batters) has stated that Christine's information played an important part in the eventual conviction of the murderer:

"In 2003 he said:
Without Christine's information, we would not have (a) retrieved the pullover; (b) interviewed and then taken statements from everyone with whom Ruark came into contact after [the evening of the murder]; and (c) checked and verified all his movements during the previous fortnight. These three elements were vital to combat potential (and actual) defences, which I believe would have raised sufficient doubt as to lead to a Not Guilty verdict.
This echoes a comment Batters made in 2002: "Without Christine's information, we might have failed to procure the most conclusive evidence" (i.e., the pullover)."

(This is something that Youens disagrees with, but nevertheless, that viewpoint comes directly from one of the police officers)

Batters and Smith also contest the claim that Anthony Ruark was considered a serious suspect before Holohan approached them.

"According to Batters and Smith, he was not considered a serious suspect because he had no history of violence; of the roughly 30 suspects, they say, Ruark was nowhere near the top of the list. On the other hand, in a letter reproduced on Tony Youens' website, supervising detective Tony Lundy says that Ruark emerged as his top suspect. Another contradiction.

Montague Keen, for his part, wrote in a separate piece that, "Ruark had already given the police a persuasive alibi. He was no longer a suspect when Holohan was interviewed." He seems to have believed that Lundy was misremembering key details of the case in order to place himself in the best possible light and to minimize any contributions made by Holohan. Without more inforrmation, it's impossible to say who's right."

"The medium lived 1.3 miles from the pub."

You're overlooking the fact that there is no evidence that the medium visited that pub.

Quote " There may be some heightened tension- but simply life as we know it will end for all humans."

So no pits of fire and eternal torture then. No gnashing of teeth. Just "some heightened tension". Like maybe the busses run a bit late, or Trump stays on.

Are we even talking about the same book ?

I think many would have issue that God doesn't make example of males who maybe are promiscuous. The sin of prostitution seems to be so heinous that it equates to the evil that we do sadly see in 2026 (CSA, rape, murder, sexual abuse etc.) Lily isn't in fact acting illegally.

The problem I think is that prostitution in the first century sense equates to women maybe just being sex positive.....a one night stand equals fornocation.

How do you attract a woman in 2026 to this religion?

There will be gnashing of teeth I think as the Bible says. To me gnashing of teeth is like last minute regrets or worries. I think the pits and the absence of God will be there, but everyone's life will end as they know it as some will get eternal life and some will not. The Bible says there will be confrontation fighting the dragon which is the heart of evil. Some call this Satan/fallen angel or a demon/devil.
My reading of it says that the Babylon which represents sin will be cast into hell and all axis of evil who do not repent will go with them.

So you think hell might be quite nice then ?

Nothing at all like these artists depicted?

Famous Paintings of Hell - Infernal Depictions of the Afterlife (artincontext.org)

So all these Churches have been telling us porkies for 2k+ years.

I have not made any comment on what hell may be like in the last few posts. I do think hell exists how God envisages it to be.
Some think there may be levels of hell, a pit for the demons etc.

Lily will be up there in hell while Vlad the impaler gets a reprieve . Get your redemption in quick peeps.

I go back to the point does God just dislike women and sex?

Going by the Bible, we can say God does NOT like women, nor women choosing to have sex. As for men, they can fill their boots.

But that might be because scribes were all men.

I think it can be difficult for some people. I know I have tried to discuss this with some women in real life in my church and had to use different terms. I don't mind it myself.
Babylon is symbolic and they tend to repeat stories at times and well Jezebel was in King's and here they are calling them that again. Jezebel's followers can be anybody. They are seen as a heritage of the devil who really has the bad part who isn't portrayed as female.
Focusing on positive female stories in the Bible can be helpful as well.

Yip. The point of the thread is maybe to partially acknowledge that and to review what being a Christian and especially being a Christian woman means in 2026 with a view of continued practice of religion.

Not everyone’s life as they know it will come to an end - this will only impact Christians - not sure why you think it would involve the rest of us who don’t have heaven and hell in our lives

I have read you write this before-the Bible teaches that the world will end for all as we know it for believers and non believers and that there will be a new earth and a new heaven. Jesus' followers his bride will inhabit most of the New Earth.
I've been hoping that if the demons get the pit of hell, that good people who were not believers may be separate from them where they are absent of God.

(Revelation 21:1)
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea".

The bible is just a book - readers should be able to distinguish between fact and fiction. The bible is full of inaccuracies.
You may believe it, but that doesn’t make it true

I have said that I accept God’s Holy book of the world however God means it. For example I like to take the Garden of Eden as literal. However, I know people who don’t who are Christians and think it is somewhat more symbolic. Only God knows how it was intended to be. There is poetry, parables, symbolism, literal truth and more in the Bible. I don’t take it as a rigorous scientific text book. It is a book of prophecy as well.
You are entitled to your views.

As I said, you believe the bible to be true, god exists etc but that doesn’t mean it is.

Isn't all this interpretation of the bible partially to make it more palatable to liberal women currently. I think this thread has revealed that women get a raw deal in the bible and it is up to modern Christians to find a route through this maze.

I saw the smiley and I think may be the other poster thought you could have been almost jeering that they may not make end times. They seemed to take it more seriously.
I guess it can be an emotive subject.
Someone said to me that as I was waiting to be witnessed that I could end up in hell and used a laughing smiley and comment. It was funny for them. I found that a bit odd.
The thread has turned like that a bit.

I did look on the church of England website but found nothing on women but just about LGBT and same sex blessings. I know the OP wanted to consider this.
https://www.churchofengland.org/media/news-and-press-releases/house-bishops-shares-letter-church-living-love-and-faith-approaches-conclusion

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp9mz34184po

@Justmerach I saw the smiley and I think may be the other poster thought you could have been almost jeering that they may not make end times. They seemed to take it more seriously.

I don't know why, because they are an atheist and don't believe in God or any life beyond this one. So I wished them something tangible that went along with their beliefs.

Seems I can't do right for doing wrong 🙄