Lily Philips - can she be a 'true' Christian?

[mids2019]

https://www.premierchristianity.com/opinion/lily-phillips-has-been-baptised-i-pray-its-accompanied-by-change/20772.article

This article made me think about what it means to be Christian especially about the concepts of sin, judgment and redemption.

In my view Lily of course is a Christian being baptised but to not give up a lucrative adult film career possibly does cause angst amongst more traditional Christians.

We are taught not to judge 'Let those without sin cast the first stone' and to accept the universal unconditionally of forgiveness. (We pray every day about the forgiveness of sin) so it is difficult thologically to condemn others.

However does any fellow Christian need to remind Lily she makes money from a profession where many women with less choice are coerced and manipulated for thr gratification of men? Wr have moved away from a less judgmental Christianity but how do you view participation in Christian life with such a job?

That's foolproof contraception, yes.

Yes, because remember, humanity is fallen, which means the perfect human body we were created with has, over time, developed mutations in its DNA and that results in illnesses and diseases, and sometimes the inability to carry a baby to term.

Many abortions are carried out that have nothing to do with an abnormality in the fetus, though.

I can't quite understand your last sentence as I think spell checker had a field day with it!

Hahaha oh I've seen those 'I haven't had the Death Jab, I'm a pureblood!' posts on social media.

Not an acceptable one

Abortions are carried out because it’s the womens right to choose what happens to her body.

That's assuming you regard a foetus as part of a woman's body and not a living person in it's own right.
I don't have an objection to a woman having liposuction because it's her own fat that being removed, that's part of her body.
I would argue that a foetus isn't.

Whether it's "acceptable" or not isn't the point.
Someone said "no contraception was foolproof", so I gave an example of one that was.

I don’t think abstention is going to get any votes nor is no sex before marriage. Unfortunately unwanted pregnancies happen - restrictions put in place - legally or morally just mean women will use unsafe methods. There are some horrific stories from some US states.

When did this fall happen ?

Before or after the great apes that we are left Africa ?

I was just following the logical argument, whether it's popular or not is another discussion.

@Parker231

And you shouldn't rely on it, if you don't see it as credible. My point is that it still qualifies as evidence, so people who rely on it are not basing our views on "no evidence."

Except that article you posted with the statistics had no evidence. The statistics said no evidence, and no evidence that it was evidence against.

@RedTagAlan

That last sentence is a bit of a tongue twister! 😄

My understanding/assessment of the article is different to yours. The writers conclude that there appeared to be some positive evidence (at the end.)

@RedTagAlan

The article writers do not agree that the statistics said no evidence.

They wrote (regarding Combined Experiments 1 and 2: Global Scores):

"These significant data continue to demonstrate AIR under conditions that exclude ordinary explanations."

And for Combined Experiments 1 and 2: Reading Choice, they wrote:

"These data also continue to demonstrate AIR under conditions that exclude local, sensory explanations for the source of the information.", and write in the overall conclusion their position that a non-local source is the most likely explanation.

So the researchers/authors hold a different view.

It’s heresy rather than evidence.

I think Lily has probably not been a bad advert for the faith on this thread. I think some liberal people may see it and think if she can do it I can do it as well.

I am unsure how strong anti discussions of topics like abortion, IV, embryos and contraception might appeal or not appeal to quite a liberal society today.

I have not discussed topics like that in over 20 years. Sometimes it best to just tell people what the Bible/churches says and let them make their own choices.

The problem is a typical church does not approach this topic at all. No one asks about someone's sex life obviously and in terms of sermon it is all about God's love. I think this personally is the way of the modern church.

I do think there is worse thing than an atheist to a committed Christian of a certain denomination and that is a Christian who does not hold the same views or interpretation of the Bible.

I attend an Anglican church as a non denominational Christian and I have never since late 2022 heard a sermon on any of these topics.They may have mentioned a decision once or one in passing about same sex blessings when they was doing prayer, but nothing more than this probably.

Yip. Maybe modern Christianity has to focus on God's love, redemption and relationship with the saviour Jesus Christ?

Define 'a typical church'. Different denominations handle these topics differently. At this point in the Church's history we do have Christians with different viewpoints, it's just the way it is. I prefer my own (non-denominational) Church which speaks openly about pretty much everything.

@GentleSheep I prefer my own (non-denominational) Church which speaks openly about pretty much everything.

Me too. A Bible-believing, God-fearing non-denominational church where no subject is out of bounds.

It's liberating isn't it? I can ask absolutely anything and won't ever feel I shouldn't have asked or it's taboo in some way. It's opened the Bible up in ways I could never have imagined.

Yes, this is my experience too. It has also helped me be certain of God's Word and to become more aware of false teachers and preachers.

@Parker231

Nothing wrong with heresy, IMO, provided it's not hateful towards others.

And it does still count as evidence. If you look at definitions of the word "evidence", it includes anecdotes. That's the whole reason that we have the term "anecdotal evidence."

Just because view it as weak, meaningless and non-credible, does not disqualify it from counting as evidence according to how evidence is defined.

EVIDENCE | English meaning - Cambridge Dictionary

If you look at the definition of the word from Cambridge Dictionary, you'll see that it covers things which count as "anecdotal".

After all, when witnesses are called to give evidence in a trial, what are they doing? Giving anecdotal evidence.

You keep providing the same explanations but it doesn’t change my views of the lack of any credibility to anecdotal evidence.