Do you believe in god?

[Unicorndreams24]

i have recently been thinking a lot about religion and wondering how many believe in god and also what made you come to the decision of believing?

Good question

Although I am now atheist, when I was a Christian I never believed " Either way, all believers stand before Christ’s judgment seat: when He returns in glory. " as @ByLovingTraybake put it.

And you are Muslim, and you believe in the same God as Christians, and Jews also of course.

Bylovingtraybake has been pulled up on this before. Saying ALL believe XYZ, when they don't.

The statement that all believers shall stand before the throne rather begs the question of what about the unbelievers? I mean, if we get left behind on earth, that would beautifully reduce the total population. There would be turmoil and upheaval, but people are generally decent and I have no doubt we would rebuild. And the rebuild might well be better. I will happily settle for that.

Thank you for your thoughts, but we clearly disagree and that’s ok.

I understand; thank you for sharing. It seems as though our beliefs are different.

Thanks for your post. The Christian view on this is different, but I appreciate our difference. Thank you for sharing!

Yup. As a bonus, they get Trump, and we get all the best music.

I'm not religious but I really don't understand responses like this. Its blatantly clear that different christians and Jews have different views about God and their religion. As you don't believe in any of it, why do you come along and say ' Ha! This bit! This bit! You need to believe this bit, you wanker. How do you deal with that then?!' They don't need to deal with it. They can form their belief as they wish and as seems right to them. And that should not bother you as you don't believe any of it.

It seems particularly idiotic to me to try to force someone to believe in a way you yourself don't even believe, just to attack them. Madness.

Theees also Samuel 12. I dont understand this.

I dont believe in standing before Jesus.

Nah. It was a reply to someone saying " read the book". I am just saying " This book?"

Also, this book is what many folk in power and seek power want all of society to live by.

Thank you. I just wanted to add as well that Catholic church's of the Holy Spirit are in revival I believe as well and you can see the Holy Spirit alive often in these church's which is evidence of the Holy Spirit to which is a 3rd attriibute of God. This has been a growing trend in many countries these church's in Latin America, Africa and the US and there are some prayer groups in the UK like in Tooting and the Westminster prayer group. There are some church Catholic revival charmismatic church's run by ordained Catholic priests. Seeing the Holy Spirit may help some people if they need to see evidence of God to believe.

https://www.stbonifacetooting.org.uk/charasmatic-prayer-group

https://westminstercathedral.org.uk/spiritual-life/prayer-study-groups/

https://www.godisableccrpg.org.uk/gallery/

I read another post to about Judgement day. The Bible says that the Saints will come to judge the world 1 Corinthians 6:2, but that God is the overall judge. Also, they don't tend to teach this to young people growing uip. The Bible says that most people after death will rest and will be resurrected and this is the 2nd judgement when Jesus Christ returns for the 2nd coming. He has done the 1st rescurrection and now the Bible says we are waiting for the 2nd coming but first the rapture is before this.

It won't be the book though, will it? It will be their interpretation of the book. Have you never been to a book club? People will have wildly different interpretations of the book and what it means. Times that by 1000 for a religious book, especially one as vast as the Jewish and Christian Bibles.

Any your reply is disingenuous. Your response is part of a long and inglorious history of people taking (often obscure) passages of the bible and using them to beat Christians with, usually with a self -satisfied ' got you' grin, much in the one of your post. You know your reply is part of that tradition - that is why you had a handy, ready passage to quote.

Thanks @ByLovingTraybake for your excellent explanation.

Yes, in answer to your very specific question @Judgejudysno1fan the Lord Jesus clarified this point Himself, when a dispute arose over His authority and nature as God.

Jesus had just performed a healing miracle at Bethesda and had told the man to pick up his bed and walk.

I'm going to quote the passage at length, for context.

"For this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill Him, because He had done these things on the Sabbath.
But Jesus answered them, “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.

"For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel.

"For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will.

“For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,
that all should honour the Son just as they honour the Father. He who does not honour the Son does not honour the Father who sent Him."
John 5 v 16-23

Practically the entire book is like that. From incest being celebrated (Lot), to pimping out ones wife (Abraham), to Genocide, revenge and just killing galore.

And many Christians want that book to be the law.

So yeah, sorry for kicking back a bit.

This is absurdist. You are implying that Christians want to bring back incest, pimping and genocide. Absolute no-one sane believes Christians are agitating for this.

No. I am pointing out that their book if full of it.

Try the challenge. Name half dozen good moral lessons from the Bible. Should be easy right ?

Again, I repeat my first post. Your case rests on you saying, ' Christians must interpret the Bible the way I do, and take from it what I have'. Even though they clearly don't. You are raging at a creation of your own.

But if you want to be worried about a religion that wants to bring back the harsh religious law from the early hundreds AD, I suggest you look at Islam, not Christianity. You are firing at the wrong target.

Judgement day will only impact believers - when is it - I want to see what happens

Ahh. So you can't or won't do the challenge. But you say I should be looking at Islam. Sure, the Quaran is as bad as the Bible, but that's not my area. I am an ex Christian. I spent 20 years plus reading the Bible regularly. I studied the Bible as good Christians are supposed to do. I did not study the Quaran.

I am not saying anyone should interpret the Bible as I do. That's what Christians do. They have even had wars over it. All I do is say what is actually written in the Bible. That is all.

I am not raging at anything. I am debating in good faith on what is written in the Bible, and how different people are saying it means something it often clearly does not.

Are those not moral lessons? What exactly were/are you after?

Ohh I don't know. Maybe things like " Slavery is bad, do not own people".

The Bible has plenty rules about how to own people. Nothing on owning people being bad.

I'm not a Christian and feel no compulsion to do your, frankly daft, 'challenge'. You can google or A1 that for yourself.

Your obsession with ' the bible' rather than what actually believers are trying to implement in the real world is why you are firing in the wrong direction, at the wrong religion.

And you are not just saying what is written in the Bible. You in your posts are very clearly seeking to extrapolate from that, that we should be worried about what Christians are trying to do with that. Even though they are not. They are not trying to bring in incest or pimping or genocide and you are ridiculous to be implying this.

I am very confused because @RedTagAlan has requested that you and @autodex provide a list of moral lessons from the Bible; when someone doesn’t engage then it seems to create an annoyed reply, but when they do respond to answer this question, there is an automatic rejection. I’m rather confused the point of the exercise.

@autodex - thank you for your posts; I do appreciate that there has been some difficulty in trying to understand some of the purpose of the cross-examination; we may all have different beliefs but I understand the OP’s point was to ask for a personal explanation of these.

Thank you — you’ve summed up where I am!

Ok, but jesus himself said i cannot do anything only what God has given me to do. Therefore that means that whatever powers Jesus was given, which I believe were given from Almighty God to Jesus. Jesus never had any powers to begin with. Its like moses turning the staff into a snake! Its from God, he was able to do so.

Jesus isnt God. There cannot be two goddess. There cannot be two God's creating the world. There cannot be a God praying to a God. There cannot be a God giving powers to another God.

Its simply God one true Lord Almighty on heaven who creates jesus to worship him and to send the message to the children of Israel. Monotheism. Worshipping one God. The ten commandments this is the first one.

So, when jesus said do not worship me and do not put me higher than my father, we just forget it and say no im going to put jesus and God in the same bracket.

Just wondering, do you think Mary worshipped her child, Jesus?