Will you make it to Heaven? Cont.

[VincitVeritas1]

Feel free to join me in a discussion about Heaven according to the Holy Bible/ Christianity in general.

Oh I can understand that - so are you saying that God need” evil “ to exist to complete his creation? That I’m on board with

Similarly Jesus didn’t need to die on the cross to meet a criteria set in the game God designed

@Kdtym10
A look at sacrifice in the natural world is an interesting one. Herding animals will sacrifice members of the herd to predators which keep the herd numbers in balance with the environment which sustains the herd.

There are themes and patterns repeated across many contexts in life.

@Kdtym10 I think more in terms of unity (with God) and disunity (against God) and coming into unity. Lots of chaotic dis unified, movement of separate beings which gradually synchronises as a whole with God.

@Kdtym10 wanting to separate from God and become a separate independent god is the 'evil'. Like one of those little foreign organisms that we host in our bodies wanting to do its own thing without us (not in symbiosis) whilst living in us.

Yes and that makes sense within the rules of nature. But if you’re creating the rules why create a system where sacrifice is a benefit?

But again, if you create the rules, why allow separateness at all

But again, if you create the rules, why allow separateness at all

@Kdtym10

Because it provides community. Increase. Otherwise you just have one being instead of many acting in unity as one. Each separate entity can experience from every vantage point and perspective and report back adding to the whole.

@Kdtym10

The experience is magnified. And if you look to biology there might be a biological reason that has been found in the material world that would inform on this. But i'm not a biologist.

And I suppose the separation could just be viewed as part of a whole movement (of life). Separate then moving into cohesion and become one.

Start off as one being, create other separate lesser beings, come together in unity, experience increase.

And the separation came with knowledge (Garden of Eden). Without the separate knowledge we would just follow God's commands (as our body parts respond to the brain) but with knowledge we have to decide to be obedient to God and act as one being instead of just acting as one being automatic.

You see I agree with this in part, but I think each one of these perspectives is just as divine. What we consider “good” and “evil” are equally part of god.

but I think each one of these perspectives is just as divine.

@Kdtym10, I think it has the potential to be divine if it acts in unity with the Divine. But if it is separate it cannot survive alone. As one of those little bodily foreign organisms couldn't. It needs the body to sustain it.

And I see evil as being separate from God. Not in unity at all. Cannot survive.

But light can only exist where darkness does. Good can only exist with evil. I would say neither is separate, just different aspects of the same thing.

But light can only exist where darkness does. Good can only exist with evil. I would say neither is separate, just different aspects of the same thing.

@Kdtym10, not sure about that.

Shadows are cast when something does not reflect the light. Instead it blocks it and the light moves round it. Eventually, objects like that fade if left in the light. Until they do reflect the light. And objects that do reflect the light shine.

If the light is all around there are no shadows.

If you think in terms of harmony and disharmony, instead of lists of what is evil and good, however, then many of the things humans might put into the evil category might be actually be good if they work in harmony with God's plan.

I’m not talking about shadows though! I’m happy to go all Jungian if you like 😂

@Kdtym10,

I’m not talking about shadows though! I’m happy to go all Jungian if you like 😂

Nooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

But, I was just thinking, it is interesting that darkness gives the contrast we need in order to see separation....Turn the brightness up very bright and there is no separation to be seen.

@heyhohello - do you have examples?
If you think in terms of harmony and disharmony, instead of lists of what is evil and good, however, then many of the things humans might put into the evil category might be actually be good if they work in harmony with God's plan.

@Parker231,

@heyhohello - do you have examples?*
If you think in terms of harmony and disharmony, instead of lists of what is evil and good, however, then many of the things humans might put into the evil category might be actually be good if they work in harmony with God's plan.

some people consider sugar to be 'evil' in dietary terms yet it can save a life in the right context.

More biblically? Mary could have been condemned under Jewish law as she was essentially an unmarried mother when she conceived Jesus.

That’s because there is no duality, no separation it is all a continuation of the same.

Doesn’t make much sense - having sugar or being an unmarried mother aren’t evil. Sugar is enjoyable and a new baby is a positive.

Doesn’t make much sense - having sugar or being an unmarried mother aren’t evil. Sugar is enjoyable and a new baby is a positive.

@Parker231, indeed and you are correct. Hence I was talking about what humans might put into the evil category erroneously. 🙂

That’s because there is no duality, no separation it is all a continuation of the same.

*@Kdtym10 where is there separation amongst that which is in complete unity with God?

30 “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters." (Matthew 12:30)