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Soul Survivor thread 2

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BadSkiingMum · 09/09/2023 21:24

This is a thread for anyone following the events at Soul Survivor or wishing to discuss their own experiences or the experiences of their loved ones within evangelical, charismatic and pentecostal religious spaces.

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LotsOfBalloons · 02/11/2024 20:04

Um. Anyone else watched "Everyone else burns"..... Very funny. And more extreme... But I think some of us may relate more than others!

pickledandpuzzled · 02/11/2024 21:46

Yes, loved it. Only first series so far, is there more?

LotsOfBalloons · 02/11/2024 22:01

Second series. Just kept thinking of this thread first time round and binged this and it reminded me!

LotsOfBalloons · 02/11/2024 22:02

I'm dying to know what the writers experience was but googling is telling me nothing!

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 03/11/2024 14:24

LotsOfBalloons · 02/11/2024 20:04

Um. Anyone else watched "Everyone else burns"..... Very funny. And more extreme... But I think some of us may relate more than others!

It is very funny, but I think maybe some folk would need to have experienced some expressions of faith to truly 'get it'. The 'dad' I also enjoyed in Friday Night Dinner and The Inbetweeners.

LotsOfBalloons · 03/11/2024 14:38

Yes I was trying to think who I knew who might "get it" and thought of this thread...

My world wasn't as extreme but so many of his phrases and ways of wording things made me think he moved in similar circles!

So so many parallels.

I'm 45 and having a full on mid life crisis I think.

AyrshireTryer · 03/11/2024 14:57

The Landmark Chambers' executive report starts with what a nice bloke MP is.
It is sickening.

This thug got away with controlling behaviour for years and years and other people looked the other way or failed to act.

He is the Watford Jimmy Saville.

Soul Survivor needs to close forever and the place should be burnt to the ground.

BadSkiingMum · 03/11/2024 16:54

I must have missed that the report came out. Here's a link - hope these work as they are PDFs rather than web pages:

Soul+Survivor+Review+-+Final+Report+260924.pdf

This is also quite interesting - a paper presented at the General Synod asking for further investigation:

gs-2361a-review-of-abuse-at-soul-survivor.pdf

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AyrshireTryer · 03/11/2024 17:19

BadSkiingMum · 03/11/2024 16:54

I must have missed that the report came out. Here's a link - hope these work as they are PDFs rather than web pages:

Soul+Survivor+Review+-+Final+Report+260924.pdf

This is also quite interesting - a paper presented at the General Synod asking for further investigation:

gs-2361a-review-of-abuse-at-soul-survivor.pdf

Section 2.7 gives me the creeps.
He's a nice guy really - for the love of God - he is an ABUSER.

TheDayisComing · 06/11/2024 14:00

Is this a safe space to talk? (about experience at Soul Survivor as a teen?) I have never said anything to anyone before

TheDayisComing · 06/11/2024 14:11

I have a strong faith, from a life long relationship directly with God through Jesus. My communication with God is and has always been two way, in a loving and personal way through his Spirit and the Word. I have gone to church (many different ones) over the years but it is not at all pivotal in my faith walk as direct and personal relationship with God has been my rock and anchor of my life. I have seen some very unbiblical things being taught in church and things that offended the Holy Spirit too. Also at Worship/ praise events where the atmosphere was actually spiritually dark and oppressive, because people were worshiping the band (face palm!) and idolising them and the musical It is so very very off from what Christ led worship and life should be, in so many ways.

BadSkiingMum · 06/11/2024 14:25

Hi, The Day is Coming - welcome! I think it is as safe as anywhere is on Mumsnet, although of course everything on Mumsnet is in the public domain.

Lots of people on this thread have had negative experiences in evangelical or Pentecostal churches. For me, it is about a family member who is still deeply embedded, but I am hoping that they will find a way out one day…

I think you might find the I was a Teenage Fundamentalist podcast useful? They have done several episodes on manipulation via music, plus the over-use of power by church leaders.

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TheDayisComing · 06/11/2024 16:11

Hi BadSkiingMum and thank you and to others using this board, it is useful to have a supportive and reflective space to talk about these things and share our experiences.

So, firstly I want to say I feel very safe and secure in the Lord, I know He is not happy with what happened at Soul Survivor re: MP. Also in other churches where I encountered stuff that wasn’t good, like I mentioned above also there was some emotional bullying amoungst the youth at the church I went to (not being ‘in’ with the ‘in’ crowd mostly, and feeling rejected and inferior due to this). I had a lot of heart healing directly from Jesus and will always believe He is the safest pair of hands and worthy of worship as my redeemer, Lord and friend.

Most of my memories from Soul Survivor have faded, all but a couple of things. I was 14 when I went with a lovely Christian family from my church, the daughter of which was my best friend at the time.

The things that have stuck with me are, the big tent worship with Delirious which I found amazing, it was so joyful and incredible joining (what felt like) thousands of others, young people and their families lifting hands and voices in praise together.

I enjoyed camping with my friend and her family and the summer weather was absolutely beautiful.

But one thing has stuck with me that was not so great. My whole life really. There were various side tents going on during the day, hosting different talks and teachings as you would expect. I had visited loads on different days, all fine, but this one time I wandered into one as I heard a nice acoustic guitar playing and recognised it was the sister of someone I knew from church, she was an excellent musician and had a lovely (Alanis Morisette) style voice. Anyway she finished playing, I was just sat down in the crowd in this smallish tent, then something very odd happened. Someone (I don’t remember who) went up and started talking at the front. I don’t know how it got onto this topic but I guess they were speaking about issues facing teens and somehow got on to talking about sexuality and then sexual exploration. It wasn’t long before I felt incredibly embarrassed and deeply uncomfortable I can’t even describe it. As a 14yr old girl I felt exposed to stuff in this talk that was not at all suitable for me and there may well have been even younger people than me in the crowd. I felt so very embarrassed and ashamed. I have no idea who thought it was appropriate to address a crowd of youngsters about such sexualised content (self exploration, both as a solo act and mutually with another person)l I have no idea to this day how far the talk went, as I left as quickly as I could I felt so embarrassed and a bit shocked. If you have ever been so painfully embarrassed you felt sick, it was like that.

pickledandpuzzled · 06/11/2024 16:16

That sounds unpleasant, @TheDayisComing

I know someone who feels in hindsight that sexuality was badly handled- girls taught to ‘guard their treasure’ and so on.

There does need to be a place where young people can talk about intimacy, but how you do that safely I just don’t know. My DC were volunteers before they reached that age, so it didn’t crop up.

TheDayisComing · 06/11/2024 17:20

Thank you pickledandpuzzled it was a definitely unpleasant and jarring experience.

I think it was mishandled, def something teens need a safe space to talk about if they wish, but it just wasn’t done right. We were just ‘talked at’ from the front and I felt a bit trapped as the exit was behind the speaker. I even felt v embarrassed and self conscious to leave as it was in full view of everyone and just kind of sidled out as best I could. In hindsight I felt blindsided as there was no disclaimer about sexual theme/s in the talk outside the tent, nothing I saw anyway, I had just felt drawn in due to hearing the pretty acoustic guitar music.

I’d like to hope these days there would be a lot more safeguarding in place (and thought given to how to create a safe (non intimidating) space for young people.

LimesOfBronze · 08/11/2024 19:15

How are we feeling about the Makin Review?

EducatingArti · 08/11/2024 20:52

How are you feeling about it?

Brilliantlydone · 08/11/2024 22:36

What else do they cover up?

ErrolTheDragon · 08/11/2024 23:07

Who knows?

Weasel Welby says there have been 'innumerable other abuse cases' to deal with in the last 10 years.

www.thetimes.com/article/901bba95-85eb-4e9e-9940-087a3acfb18c?shareToken=eabc5b019d90673661482f52642cde92

LimesOfBronze · 08/11/2024 23:39

Just feel so sorry for the victims and sick over how many people were harmed and how many opportunities there were to stop him.

AyrshireTryer · 09/11/2024 07:17

Perhaps culture has changed and we are now more aware of how to 'deal' with abuse, but for me this all goes back to - for evil to prosper good men need do nothing.
Those who don't report abusers have enabled abusers.

ErrolTheDragon · 09/11/2024 08:39

Those who don't report abusers have enabled abusers.

Yes.
DH follows these issues (he's read Bleeding for Jesus), having been to a cathedral school. Apart from it being where Ball (one of the few perpetrators eventually brought to justice) was bishop, he's pretty certain some of his school fellows went to the 'bash camps'. He says he thinks those involved in the coverups are in some ways worse - the perpetrators must really have something wrong with them but there's no mitigation whatever for supposedly good, moral people protecting their institution, power and influence rather than protecting children. Although he points out there's biblical support for beating children, rather less for protecting them (the 'millstone' thing is about protecting their faith not their bodies) so maybe they're truly being 'good Christian's'Hmm ... voice dripping with disgusted irony.

BadSkiingMum · 12/11/2024 11:37

It’s horrific. I am struggling to comprehend it.

There seems to be a peculiar power vacuum at the heart of the CofE. Why on earth didn’t Welby act at the time in 2013?

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LimesOfBronze · 12/11/2024 12:40

Not to absolve Welby, but there are people (clergy) named in the Makin report who are masons. If they are lower ranking masons than others they encountered, they will have prioritised that hierarchy over safeguarding practice.

LotsOfBalloons · 12/11/2024 12:44

Gosh that gets worse. Really???

I don't know much about masons but surely safeguarding still trumps??

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