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Silverseas1 · 11/08/2023 12:56

Silverseas1 · 09/08/2023 19:17

In this world from here to eternity there will be wars, famine, drought, disease & all else that contributes to human suffering. Power seeking to create dominace over others has got nothing to do with the spiritual world where there are no human bodies with all their imperfections and wrong doings. Everyone is accountable for their wrong doings & actions in this world. There is no need for war, there is no need for famine & nature is responsible for the the elements. The body is a vessel for the soul susceptible to disease like any other organism on earth. Think of God as more like an energy pulling you towards it in the hope we will trust in this to guide us through life to be the best we can be, helping those less fortunate & simply being kind to each other in words & deeds. A form of love to which the soul returns & which surpasses all understanding in this world.

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Or here 😊

PrimitivePerson · 16/08/2023 16:42

sentinent · 03/08/2023 00:14

As advised by another poster, this post deserves a pot of its own. Something that's been niggling at me for a while now; for those who believe (or even not believe) in the existence of God/a higher power, (I firmly do believe btw), how do we explain children in pain, suffering, getting terminal diseases or being killed??

We can't explain it. There's 2 possibilities. Either God is a monster who acts completely arbitrarily, and therefore doesn't deserve our worship, or he doesn't exist.

Annaishere · 16/08/2023 16:45

PrimitivePerson · 16/08/2023 16:42

We can't explain it. There's 2 possibilities. Either God is a monster who acts completely arbitrarily, and therefore doesn't deserve our worship, or he doesn't exist.

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I think god’s not like a human but more like a life force energy running through everything

PrimitivePerson · 16/08/2023 16:48

Annaishere · 16/08/2023 16:45

I think god’s not like a human but more like a life force energy running through everything

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Well, if you want to believe in an impersonal God that doesn't condemn people to horrific suffering, that's fine. I just have a lot of history with extremist Christians who have horribly glib and simplistic answers to the OP's question that just don't wash.

OMG12 · 22/08/2023 19:14

PrimitivePerson · 16/08/2023 16:42

We can't explain it. There's 2 possibilities. Either God is a monster who acts completely arbitrarily, and therefore doesn't deserve our worship, or he doesn't exist.

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Actually these aren’t the only two choices. One possibility is that god is everything good and bad (as humans see it). God created to experience itself, every aspect. This includes everything that humans find evil, the things we find painful. But to God they are just different experiences that are necessary.

Obviously there have been many other suggestions over the years to answer this question.

pharamondtravel · 22/08/2023 19:26

OMG12 · 22/08/2023 19:14

Actually these aren’t the only two choices. One possibility is that god is everything good and bad (as humans see it). God created to experience itself, every aspect. This includes everything that humans find evil, the things we find painful. But to God they are just different experiences that are necessary.

Obviously there have been many other suggestions over the years to answer this question.

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To me that comes under option A.

QueenHippolyta · 22/08/2023 23:34

I'm a pagan, I believe in many gods, the universe is energy-soul, So I'd say the entire universe is divine, and humans reincarnate. This helped me as my sister was chronically ill for most of her life and died relatively young.

OMG12 · 25/08/2023 23:48

pharamondtravel · 22/08/2023 19:26

To me that comes under option A.

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Guess we will have to differ on that one then

Hawkins009 · 25/08/2023 23:59

Considering all the information about God is produced by humans, then how can humanity even understand God, if it's not within our ability to even comprehend the nature of God if there was an actual God, like eg Q from star trek.

PrimitivePerson · 26/08/2023 00:24

God is simply people thousands of years ago trying to work out why stuff happened. Back then they didn't even know where the sun went at night, and the best explanation they could think of was that God made it rise and set each day. Therefore they thought they'd better come up with some rules to keep him happy, in case it set and never came back up again.

Relevance of God to modern existence is therefore pretty much zero. We know what makes most things happen now.

meatbaseddessert · 26/08/2023 07:37

PrimitivePerson · 26/08/2023 00:24

God is simply people thousands of years ago trying to work out why stuff happened. Back then they didn't even know where the sun went at night, and the best explanation they could think of was that God made it rise and set each day. Therefore they thought they'd better come up with some rules to keep him happy, in case it set and never came back up again.

Relevance of God to modern existence is therefore pretty much zero. We know what makes most things happen now.

Spot on plus the 'order' of humans. Women: smaller, child bearers. Men; bigger, hunter gathers.
No longer necessary to order humans in such a way given modern life. Nevertheless males and females differ in their physical capabilities.

OMG12 · 26/08/2023 18:19

PrimitivePerson · 26/08/2023 00:24

God is simply people thousands of years ago trying to work out why stuff happened. Back then they didn't even know where the sun went at night, and the best explanation they could think of was that God made it rise and set each day. Therefore they thought they'd better come up with some rules to keep him happy, in case it set and never came back up again.

Relevance of God to modern existence is therefore pretty much zero. We know what makes most things happen now.

Well that’s an extremely overly simplified view of ancient myth and the ancient people.

Your post reeks of look how clever we are and how stupid the ancients were (clue, look who is destroying the world.

”We know what makes most things happen now”. Are you having a laugh????? We haven’t got a clue about the vast vast majority of the universe.

Hawkins009 · 26/08/2023 18:21

OMG12 · 26/08/2023 18:19

Well that’s an extremely overly simplified view of ancient myth and the ancient people.

Your post reeks of look how clever we are and how stupid the ancients were (clue, look who is destroying the world.

”We know what makes most things happen now”. Are you having a laugh????? We haven’t got a clue about the vast vast majority of the universe.

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None of your points invalidates the previous posters points, bottom line unless there was an extremely advanced society eons ago then basically it does seem it's human stories that began the myths and stories about various religions and god's.

PrimitivePerson · 26/08/2023 18:26

OMG12 · 26/08/2023 18:19

Well that’s an extremely overly simplified view of ancient myth and the ancient people.

Your post reeks of look how clever we are and how stupid the ancients were (clue, look who is destroying the world.

”We know what makes most things happen now”. Are you having a laugh????? We haven’t got a clue about the vast vast majority of the universe.

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I was a hardcore evangelical Christian for many years until I couldn't carry on with the mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance.

Ancient religions are just an attempt to explain things that people didn't understand and were terrified of.

QueenHippolyta · 26/08/2023 18:26

All societies around the world have some form of religion and you're quite wrong, in ancient Greece around 200 BC Aristarchus of Samos described a heliocentric universe. There was a tremendous amount of scientific discovery that was lost for hundreds of years.

We don't know the source of consciousness either.
Additionally you just have to look at the Atheist societies that support the unscientific belief that; ' trans women (men) are women'.

Your fantasy that modernity means humans don't need spiritual beliefs is proven wrong by the atheist and wokeratii.

OMG12 · 26/08/2023 18:33

PrimitivePerson · 26/08/2023 18:26

I was a hardcore evangelical Christian for many years until I couldn't carry on with the mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance.

Ancient religions are just an attempt to explain things that people didn't understand and were terrified of.

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It sounds like a religious trauma which often happens when people have been subjected to a leave extreme religions.

But it’s very clear you know little about ancient beliefs, myths and peoples/cultures. Do a bit of digging and you might find some very interesting things.

OMG12 · 26/08/2023 18:36

QueenHippolyta · 26/08/2023 18:26

All societies around the world have some form of religion and you're quite wrong, in ancient Greece around 200 BC Aristarchus of Samos described a heliocentric universe. There was a tremendous amount of scientific discovery that was lost for hundreds of years.

We don't know the source of consciousness either.
Additionally you just have to look at the Atheist societies that support the unscientific belief that; ' trans women (men) are women'.

Your fantasy that modernity means humans don't need spiritual beliefs is proven wrong by the atheist and wokeratii.

This 100%.

it’s clear when looking at the practices and understanding of many ancient peoples round the world we have lost a lot of knowledge, we’ve been playing catch up for many centuries.

Hawkins009 · 26/08/2023 18:37

OMG12 · 26/08/2023 18:33

It sounds like a religious trauma which often happens when people have been subjected to a leave extreme religions.

But it’s very clear you know little about ancient beliefs, myths and peoples/cultures. Do a bit of digging and you might find some very interesting things.

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I guess early humans could of met E.T and then made the god and creation myths etc

PrimitivePerson · 26/08/2023 18:43

QueenHippolyta · 26/08/2023 18:26

All societies around the world have some form of religion and you're quite wrong, in ancient Greece around 200 BC Aristarchus of Samos described a heliocentric universe. There was a tremendous amount of scientific discovery that was lost for hundreds of years.

We don't know the source of consciousness either.
Additionally you just have to look at the Atheist societies that support the unscientific belief that; ' trans women (men) are women'.

Your fantasy that modernity means humans don't need spiritual beliefs is proven wrong by the atheist and wokeratii.

Oh, I have no doubt whatsoever that plenty of people in ancient times were very clever.

I just suffered years of abuse in churches and I've had my fill of it. Most Christians hold some extremely dubious beliefs and don't properly understand where they came from - I certainly didn't.

You also lost me at "wokeratii" - if you have to resort to that, you've lost the argument.

OMG12 · 26/08/2023 18:49

Hawkins009 · 26/08/2023 18:37

I guess early humans could of met E.T and then made the god and creation myths etc

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Who knows? And no one can know either. What we do know is that there are many ancient belief systems around the world with many similarities.

OMG12 · 26/08/2023 18:56

PrimitivePerson · 26/08/2023 18:43

Oh, I have no doubt whatsoever that plenty of people in ancient times were very clever.

I just suffered years of abuse in churches and I've had my fill of it. Most Christians hold some extremely dubious beliefs and don't properly understand where they came from - I certainly didn't.

You also lost me at "wokeratii" - if you have to resort to that, you've lost the argument.

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I’m sorry for what you’ve been through. But you do realise that there are many other belief systems outside of Christianity and even Christianity bears little resemblance to how it started out?

Do you think some of those very intelligent individuals created some very intelligent ways to spread and record some very valuable points?

Annaishere · 26/08/2023 19:10

They thought the sun was god

PrimitivePerson · 26/08/2023 19:10

I'm no expert, so I won't pretend to be one, but I think ancient religions are interesting from a purely historical and sociological angle. Attempting to actually live by them in the 21st century simply causes trouble.

I appreciate humans have a need for spirituality, and that's fine, but organised religion is astonishingly corrupt and it needs to be steered well clear of.

Hawkins009 · 26/08/2023 19:42

OMG12 · 26/08/2023 18:49

Who knows? And no one can know either. What we do know is that there are many ancient belief systems around the world with many similarities.

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In that case there's two options, survivors from a previous advanced civilisation that then had it's own missionaries that spread the myths and legends across the globe, or E,T also did a road trip across the globe spreading the stories.

Hawkins009 · 26/08/2023 19:46

PrimitivePerson · 26/08/2023 19:10

I'm no expert, so I won't pretend to be one, but I think ancient religions are interesting from a purely historical and sociological angle. Attempting to actually live by them in the 21st century simply causes trouble.

I appreciate humans have a need for spirituality, and that's fine, but organised religion is astonishingly corrupt and it needs to be steered well clear of.

Look at certain religion's and the marriage concept, to fit with today's society we alter the words of the religion to be all accepting etc yet if we were to truly believe the words in the good books so to speak, then with regards to the religion as written, humans would be making it up as they prefer.

At least that's a guess and interpretation. I could be wrong