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Has God ever just answered a prayer that you needed so badly?

214 replies

whenthedreamhappens · 19/12/2022 20:33

Dh a do have been going through a terrible time with an incident that happened in work 5 years ago. It was a horrendous, difficult time. My husband was basically suicidal. Although this was such a time of trial, Gods hand was always upon us, guiding us even tho we didn't see it, and to us the days still seemed dark. After lots of prayer and years worth of worry we got a solicitor letter (out if the blue) basically withdrawing any wrong doing ir any allegations , on the same day that DH received a job offer from a dream job opportunity. We have received multiple, countless blessing that have come at EXACTLY the right time. It has been incredibly difficult yet incredibly comforting that God has always guided us through our trials and made things possible that just wouldn't have been so without intervention. Today we have received another wonderful blessing.

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Parker231 · 18/01/2023 16:50

Bruuuuhhhh · 18/01/2023 15:52

I don't agree and being a "church for everyone" and conducting same sex marriages isn't the same thing. Anyway, this hasn't got anything to do with the original post, which was about prayer.

Why don’t you think church is for everyone? What difference is there in same sex marriages?

Bruuuuhhhh · 18/01/2023 17:21

@Parker231 Church is for everyone - everyone is welcome to worship in church. Marriage as the church recognises it, is between one man and one woman.

Parker231 · 18/01/2023 17:49

Bruuuuhhhh · 18/01/2023 17:21

@Parker231 Church is for everyone - everyone is welcome to worship in church. Marriage as the church recognises it, is between one man and one woman.

And the church is wrong - every church should also respect same sex marriages!

Idratherbepaddleboarding · 18/01/2023 18:00

I thought I’d give God another try as there’s something we desperately need help with. I prayed, no I begged for the outcome we need but yet again “God” said nah. So now I’m 99% certain he doesn’t exist and if he does, then fuck you God. I’d rather rot in hell or oblivion for all eternity than spend it in heaven with a God that’s so evil, nasty and wants his “creations” to suffer so much.

AnorLondo · 18/01/2023 18:03

Bruuuuhhhh · 18/01/2023 17:21

@Parker231 Church is for everyone - everyone is welcome to worship in church. Marriage as the church recognises it, is between one man and one woman.

Not every church. And the law disagrees.

faretheewell · 18/01/2023 18:03

@Parker231 @Bruuuuhhhh

I think this speech of John Wesley's speaks right into this situation.

www.crivoice.org/cathspirit.html

Some Christian denominations do recognise same sex marriages some don't. The important thing is not to forget what Christianity is essentially about - love.

Bruuuuhhhh · 18/01/2023 18:05

@Parker231 Respecting it and actually carrying it out are two very different things though.

Parker231 · 18/01/2023 18:07

faretheewell · 18/01/2023 18:03

@Parker231 @Bruuuuhhhh

I think this speech of John Wesley's speaks right into this situation.

www.crivoice.org/cathspirit.html

Some Christian denominations do recognise same sex marriages some don't. The important thing is not to forget what Christianity is essentially about - love.

There is zero good about Christianity when it treats people differently. Your comment is incorrect. Christianity is only about love between a man and a woman but not about those of the same sex.

faretheewell · 18/01/2023 18:12

@Parker231

Really? See 1 John 4

"God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. 18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister." (NIV)
Did you actually read Jon Wesley's speech?

Bruuuuhhhh · 18/01/2023 18:12

@faretheewell John Wesley was a great guy and I'm sure he would have had a lot to say on the topic!
Like I said, LGBT Christians are free to marry in some denominations but not all churches should be forced into it if they feel it goes against their beliefs.

faretheewell · 18/01/2023 18:13

Sorry, John.

faretheewell · 18/01/2023 18:14

@Bruuuuhhhh, yes, did you read the speech I linked to?

Parker231 · 18/01/2023 18:16

@faretheewell - I don’t believe in any God but have friends in a long term same sex relationship who are prevented from getting married in their church.

Bruuuuhhhh · 18/01/2023 18:21

@faretheewell It's pretty meaty, I'll have a go later 😄

@AnorLondo I'm not talking about how the secular law defines marriage, but what marriage is according to the bible.

Bruuuuhhhh · 18/01/2023 18:22

Parker231 · 18/01/2023 18:16

@faretheewell - I don’t believe in any God but have friends in a long term same sex relationship who are prevented from getting married in their church.

Do your friends belive in God?

faretheewell · 18/01/2023 18:25

@Parker231, well I would say, with all due respect, you cannot really comment on what it means to actually believe in God - since it is not your experience. If it is any comfort to your friends John Wesley in this speech says this:

"11. I dare not, therefore, presume to impose my mode of worship on any other. I believe it is truly primitive and apostolic. But my belief is no rule for another. I ask not, therefore, of him with whom I would unite in love, Are you of my church, of my congregation? Do you receive the same form of church government, and allow the same church officers, with me? Do you join in the same form of prayer by which I worship God?

I inquire not, Do you receive the Lord's supper in the same posture and manner that I do? Nor do I inquire whether, in the administration of baptism, you agree with me in admitting sureties for the baptized, in the manner of administering it, or the age of those to whom it should be administered. I do not even ask of you (as clear as I am in my own mind) whether you allow baptism and the Lord's supper at all. Let all these things stand by. We will talk of them, if need be, at a more convenient season. My only question at present is this, "Is your heart right, as my heart is with your heart?

  1. But what is properly implied in the question? I do not mean, What did Jehu imply by it? But, What should a follower of Christ understand by the question when he proposes it to any of his brothers?

The first thing implied is this: Is your heart right with God? Do you believe his being and his perfections, his eternity, immensity, wisdom, power, his justice, mercy, and truth? Do you believe that he now "upholds all things by the word of his power," and that he governs even the most minute, even the most noxious, to his own glory and the good of them that love him? Have you a divine evidence, a supernatural conviction, of the things of God? Do you "walk by faith not by sight," looking not at temporal things but things eternal?

  1. Do you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, "God over all, blessed for ever?" Is he revealed in your soul? Do you know Jesus Christ and him crucified? Does he dwell in you and you in him? Is he formed in your heart by faith? Having absolutely renounced all your own works, your own righteousness, have you "submitted yourself unto the righteousness of God, which is by faith in Christ Jesus? Are you "found in him, not having your own righteousness, but the righteousness which is by faith?" And are you, through him, "fighting the good fight of faith, and laying hold of eternal life?"...(and it goes on in this vein).
Parker231 · 18/01/2023 18:31

Bruuuuhhhh · 18/01/2023 18:22

Do your friends belive in God?

Yes - haven’t a clue why!

Bruuuuhhhh · 18/01/2023 18:37

@faretheewell Agree with all that. I think there's a danger that any Christian who disagrees with same sex marriage in church might be accused of not loving their neighbour, which is just not true.

Parker231 · 18/01/2023 18:41

Bruuuuhhhh · 18/01/2023 18:37

@faretheewell Agree with all that. I think there's a danger that any Christian who disagrees with same sex marriage in church might be accused of not loving their neighbour, which is just not true.

No - they just support discrimination

Bruuuuhhhh · 18/01/2023 18:43

@Parker231 You appear to have an axe to grind. It is not discrimination.

Parker231 · 18/01/2023 18:51

Bruuuuhhhh · 18/01/2023 18:43

@Parker231 You appear to have an axe to grind. It is not discrimination.

I do have an axe to grind on behalf of my lovely friends. Discrimination is treating one group of people differently, often negatively, from another.

Bruuuuhhhh · 18/01/2023 18:57

@Parker231 So what's the solution in your mind?

Parker231 · 18/01/2023 18:59

Bruuuuhhhh · 18/01/2023 18:57

@Parker231 So what's the solution in your mind?

Treat everyone the same in religion/a church and positively support all marriages.

Bruuuuhhhh · 18/01/2023 19:09

Church of England ministers can not carry out or bless same-sex marriages, but your local church is still there for you. At any time you are welcome to come and pray with us, or ask us to pray for you. You might just need space for yourself to pray – some churches or cathedrals are left open at certain times so anyone can go in.
If you need a place to connect with God, worship, give thanks and join others in learning about the Christian faith, you will be very welcome at your local church.

From the CofE's website. The church does support and respect same sex marriage and the door doesn't shut on anyone.

AnorLondo · 18/01/2023 19:30

Church of England bishops refuse to back gay marriage

That's not supporting or respecting. It's also worth remembering that the CofE campaigned against the legalisation of same-sex marriage.