touchy subject i know...

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but what does everyone think about what the dream pyschic has to say about madeleines dissapearance?

Yes, I can attest. Seive + memory = crap

UQD, your posts here show an intense intolerance of belief, in general. (As an atheist I dont say that lightly). You have been quite dismissive of StG, and a teensy bit rude here and there.

So, have a seat on my couch....and tell me, did finding out that Father Christmas wasn't real cause irrecovable damage to your soul or your psyche?

lmao

UQD????

I really don't know about these psychics. Some do seem rather convincing, others are just laghable.
I did once have a reading with a pshychic, for a bit of entertainment. She was no good a telling my future (this was about 8 years ago now, so I know) but she was spot on about my past. One thing she said was, 'You were pregnant earlier this year, and there is still a lot of sadness around that.' She was spot on, and I'm not sure that's the kind of thing you'd take a risk saying to someone who was paying you money.

DS1 seems to have healing hands. I noticed when he was just over a year, if he put his hand on my head, my headache disapered. I didn't say anything to anyone, then DP mentioned he had noticed the same thing. I've since pursuaded him to lay his hands, but he hates doing it. I would never tell anyone in RL about this. Neither of the other DC's have the same ability, and I'm really not sure I belive people who make money out of healing people like this.

I probably come across as a complete crackpot, that's what I would think about someone else who'd posted this, anyway

My hands do it too.

They heat up and then take the pain away. It completely drains me though so i only do it if I absolutely have to.

How old is your DS1 Lynette?

flamey you need to set up a shield between you and the "patient". ask for the help of your healer guides and let their energy flow through you as well. remember to say thanks to them becasue it uses their energy as well

lynette when he was v.young my bro had what we called "magic kisses". to his day i hugely regret everyone in immediate family making a big deal of it and getting him to kiss us all the time as he blocked it off - we were taking him for granted.

the best thing to do is just accept it as something that's completely natural for your family (which it is) and don't make a big deal of it.

I try to do A shield but i'd never thought of asking for help tbh think it all comes back to me still being scared of it all! i know what i SHOULD be doing but that makes it real iyswim!

use a reflective shield or imagine yourself surrounded by mirrors and just trust that the universe won't let anything get back thru to you

I've had dreams at the time of something happening, eg once I had a vivid dream that some animals were being attacked/chopped up by some people and next day on the news heard that people had broken into the zoo and attacked the penguins
Another time I dreamt that I was being beaten and also beating like I was present on both sides of the violence and next day heard of a beating that had happened in the night in my town.
Totally useless to have these dreams and painful.

Ok, so what category do you use for people who say they are pyschic which is not covered by "con artists, nutters or well-meaning idiots"? Given that there is no such thing as psychic powers, merely the occasional coincidence, some sincere, well-meaning but deluded idiots, and a lot of desperate muppets who will believe anything that suggests that whatever facts they find undesirable (x is terminally ill, y doesn't love you, you're not going to win the lottery) can either be altered or cast into some doubt.

I just think we are all connected more than we think. We all walk around thinking we are individual and we are but also we are all one. So if one of us does something evil, like steal a child, everyone is in pain about it.

I think it needs to be rephrased that you do not believe there is such a thing as psychic powers.

It's something we don't fully understand yet and in the future it won't seem so odd and scarey to us, I think. There is alot of ignorance and showmanship around psychic power but if we accepted it as a normal part of life rather than just rubbish or scarey magic, it wouldn't be such a big deal.

I don't think my dreams were a coincidence. But maybe they were...I don't usually remember dreams and these were nightmares which cost me something and I recognised the event later.

My sister is a bit of a mind reader, she and her husband are impossible to beat at pictionary, they draw one line or dot and the other one gets the word. It's ridiculous.

Supersleuth - sorry, I have been working and away from here.

Your Father Christmas point is an excellent one actually. My DD believes in FC and God at the moment. Eventually she will have to grow up as we all so, and for a society to come to proper maturity we need to put such childish things aside.

And again, I would say that questioning religion is not the same as being intolerant of it. Asking for evidence to support a THEORY - which is all religions are, at the end of the day - is not unreasonable.

I'm starting to understand why Richard Dawkins is so tetchy.

squonk - I can read my DW's mind too. It's not rocket science.

Flamesparrow. There is a a reason for my writing "psychics" in quotes - they are something which I don't believe actually exists.

Do you want me to write "fairies" without quotes as well?

You didn't put "Father Christmas" in quotes either. Its perfectly easy to talk about a thing even if you don't believe in it without quotes, or all conversations about such things would be "unicorns" "dragons" etc.

You are only doing it to be arsey.

Madamez it's not a given that there is no such thing as psychic powers. It's that you don't believe there is, and that's fine. I'm someone who is new to these beliefs. I can totally understand why people don't believe in psychic abilities or spirits, I didn't a few years ago. To me, to make a statement like UD's "I think it's a load of nonsense" is acceptable - he thinks it's nonsense, I don't (and I'm talking about psychic abilities in general here, not specifically the dream website). But I don't like being called a a nutter, an idiot or a con artist - I'm not, I'm just a perfectly normal mum of a 4 year old with certain beliefs.

Some "psychics" are incredibly convincing. I don't doubt that. But given that just about every effect they can "do" can be reproduced by trickery, I tend to go for the Occam's Razor approach. I would recommend Derren Brown's new book to everyone, and I'd also ask people to read the story of Project Alpha here

I'll say again, if someone says to a scientist that it is their own personal experience that, e.g. gravity makes things go up, or that the moon is made of green cheese, or that clouds are made of cotton-wool, then he may laugh the first time. The next few times it gets a little less funny. And if they continue asking for these things to be given credence without a scrap of evidence, is it "intolerant" of the scientist to start saying "Oh, for goodness' sake?"

By UnquietDad on Thu 17-May-07 09:30:12
"If there were such things as "psychics" then the laws of science as we know then would be re-written.

Okay, so you wwnt to entertain the possibility that this guy may have "powers", but ask yourself this. When your child presents you with a broken cup and says "it broke by itself", do you assume that a) yes, the laws of the Universe temporarily suspended themselves and that piece of pottery chose to fragment spontaneously, b) person or persons unknown broke into your house for the putpose of maliciously dismantling drinking implements, or c) your child did it and is trying to cover his arse?"

I have a ceramics shop and sometimes pieces do fragment spontaneously...

It's not the beliefs I am questioning. People are free to believe whatever nonsense they like, although I find it sad that intelligent people do so.

What I am railing against is the complete and utter inability to provide a scrap of evidence or foundation for their being anything other than complete fabrication or simple naivety.

It is intolerant because it is ONLY this belief that you come and attack every time - you don't go round yelling at the Muslims there is no proof of allah, or the Christians that there is no god.

Surfer... you are a bit of a nutter, please don't lie to the good people