The struggle for power

[papillon]

Hi All

This thread (and several others) are about us sharing and learning together on our spiritual journey. It is an open space for open minds, so please feel free to come and chat and share your thoughts/stories.

The main book we have been discussing is The Celestine Prophecies book by James Redfield.

We are now up to the 4th insight - the struggle for power

Back to the struggle that is exactly what I think I hear from you the things with (some) mums and people who are bullying or cant apologise is that they are simply exerting or trying to power over someonoe else and saying sorry appears weak. To my mind the powerful one is the one who knows when to back down and how to influence with integrity and clarity. Not bossy just gently making sure you are heard adn that people can also have their say.

papillon - sorry to hear about your FIL - it is so hard being away from family and friends at such times, I know the hardest times for me have been when a friend's mother died suddenly recently and I couldn't be there for her and lately as there is illness in the family too.... At least your DH has you to support him ...
GF - I can empathise with you and your relationship with your mother - mine is constantly running not only me but others down- she seems to draw energy this way and makes herself feel superior (I have spent nearly 40 years trying to wokr this one out!!!) she will think nothing of telling me I am wrong, stupid etc..
she barely talks to DH which causes problems and when I tell her she should 'let things go' she says I am weak for letting people walk over me (he doesn't), but I think it is a sign of weakness to hold onto things and not be able to move on. Like papillon said, you can't change somebody but she is certainly interesting if very hard work...
am going to read the experiential chapter today so hopefully will be further enlightened for this conversation tomorrow.

Hi girls looks as If i missed some stuff lastnight. Dh was doing my ear oil treatment so had a ly down yesterday evening.

Hope your all feeling good today Paps/sibbble/juni/glitterfairy/fairyfly ?????

I just realised this morning whilst doing my hypnotherapy homework this morning , that whilst i feel I am having difficulties with my interactions with some friends and family, it is all going on for a reason in that I am supposed to be dealing with it to help heal my issues of negative thoughts and feelings. It is strange how things show up right when you need them too. Does anyone else feel they are right in the middle of insight 4 right now ??? I cant believe how far Ive come in the last 10 years to get to the place were I realise what everything is for( well only today!!!).I never connected with the book like this the last time. Ill probably loose the insight tommorow, excuse the pun !!!

I am feeling much better today. My body feels dreadful.. need realignment soon... as is definately attributing to my outlook right now.. when my spine is out of whack.. especially between the shoulders I feel cramped

Just been having great conversation with a friend of ours who came for breakfast... potential for some quite exciting possiblities work wise.. I don´t like to say job... more vocation

Want to write more, but need to stretch my body first

papillon, gladd you're feeling better in yourself although with a dodgy body
melsy - I know what you mean about the insights, I thought I had grasped them last time but having re-read them and with working through the experiential guide really think I am getting to grips this time. Am sure alot is to do with this site and chatting with others about it all. I even re-read one of my reiki books yesterday which I have read loads of times and saw new things in it. Maybe it is looking through new eyes.

Hi Sibble
I bought "Reiki - Best practices" yesterday by Walter Lübeck and Frank Arjava Petter

Grrrrrr
I just typed loads and then dh rung up wanting pics sent via email..computer crashed along with my wonderful rant
Grrrrrr

Am reading the reiki book at the moment and the authors talk about Fear - which we kinda have covered abit, but it seems related to Power also.. so decided to post abit of a yarn about it all.

The book says that fear is natural and should be looked in the face. If we try and avoid fear especially when unbalanced about a situation then any protective mechanisms don´t work i.e. Amulets, Mantras etc

It says that when negative energy effects you it is good to realise that something or someone is not compatible with you nor vibrate at the same frequency. Best thing to do is just say no - that the attack does not belong to you, this is not my responsibility.
The best response is to let it flow through you - basically not accept it into your feelings, emotions etc. BUT this takes practise - and the authors say you must have absolute trust in yourselft and be self-confident and have self-love - I guess assured of yourself. And until you learn to transform negative energy or let it flow through you their are Reiki techniques that help with protection that can be discarded once we all have the disposition of Buddha

Need level 2 Reiki though.. I am rusty no. 1...
anyway thought it was a good thing to think about with regards to power struggles and allowing energy that does not seem to have any good purpose to overwhelm you at every turn.

Interesting - this is kind of what I struggle with. I would love to be able to acknowledge each unpleasant encounter and then move on unphased but it doesn't work like that for me, having said that since studying reiki I do take alot less to heart. I struggle with whether you should deal with the situation full on and sort things out to a resolution or sit back, take it in and then move on. I tend to do a mixture of the two but sometimes then stew on the situations that I have let go, they somehow feel 'unfinished'. I know great buddhas hav a serenity that doesn't appear phased by negativity but how do you get there and does everybody want to get there - perhaps this is part of our evolution to work our way there through the generations. Now I am waffling.
I do however in the meantime use reiki symbols to proteect me when I know I am going into a tricky situation and I find they work for me.
Intereesting paps

For what it is worth, I think that fear is one of the most draining of emotions and it is with us far more than we acknowledge. We are fearful of so many things, the new, the old, growing old change, taking risks, other people being alone etc.... alot of my work in leadership is about facing our fears admitting to them and dealing with them. I agreee that it is a natural phenomenon and sometimes useful. We are right to be scared of some things but need to have the courage to take up the challenges that life offers us. It does though get in the way of things which we wuld probably enjoy and can prevent us from having experiences which would fulfil us and give us happiness. I think it is different from power though which to me is about the need to exert influence over another being or set of beings in a way which can be good but when done without integrity destructive of people. Anyway early morning ramble as cant sleep!

Fear can destructive though. Phobias can totally destroy people and cause upset in their families. I'm a confident outgoing person but when I was having PAs I felt so trapped. And before I knew what they were I was convinced I was dying.

fear can be destructive i meant

Hi Juniper

I agree Glitterfairy that power and fear are different things.
I do think that fear is the overriding factor for power struggles though - whether it is recognised or not. And that power diet needs to be feed. Power and the need to control is called the Master Addiction! (Philip Kavanaugh, Magnificient Addiction)
The experiential guide does reiteriate what the Reiki book I am reading says: that true energy comes from a universal source and shóuld not be sought from another person.

I really recognised what you said Sibble about struggling and stewing about situations. It is hard to displace the uneasy feelings isn´t it.

I really liked the quote in the Experiential Guide (will add it here cause I know not all of you have the book)

Individuation begins when we look inside ourselves for answers, when we stop blaming others for our feelings and begin relating to our emotions and intuition as our teachers (Kavanaugh)

One of the behaviours recommended to keep your energy free - Is to focus on how you want to feel

I like that and realise I have been trying to do that lately - I really feel it is working as it makes me more proactive (more get up and go!!) and positive. (I guess this is what you teach Glitter!)

Fantatsic discussion everyone, really enjoyed reading these this morning, even though I find this one very hard at the moment.This seems to have struck achord in celestine discussions with all of us.Cant talk very much today as Im out today at a new mothers grp at synagogue & have to go very soon. Im having some problems like mentioned , realising that some of the current friends/ mums are vibrating differently to me and making me feel uneasy, time to move on and think forward instead of stewing over it and opening up to more vulnrabltity by telling them of my unease.

good for you Melsy have a nice day -

yes Juniper I agree that fear can be one of the most destrucitve feelings. However, facing and conquering fears can give you more elation than you can imagine as I am sure you know. I aslo feel that fear is a thing which prevents us from really being the people we can be and which limits us. believe that many rules aare made from fear and that this is particularly true in relation to kids. Anyway have a good day everyone. Will speak again on Saturday when I come home from Paris yipee!

I am trying, at the moment, to live for the here and now - i.e. live for the day. I find it helps me as I have a tendency to want to plan long term and have a clear path, when I don't know what is going to happen I panic (fear I guess).
I also find that guilt as a means of drawing energy from somebody is also a powerful destructive tool. My mother uses guilt all the time and it leaves me feeling down, drained and low; equally I find dealing with guilt hard to override and shake off.

Im not sure were to post this, i find that once Ive had a struggle with someone my instincts get dampened.I was totally drained and intimidated by someons behaviour, which too me was revolting.

I have had a hard day today on top of illness and ears. I went out with dh and dd and was pleased to find a shop of crystals and other wonderful stuff. I was sooo excited as Ive been wanting to buy some new stones for a while now, but it got totally spoilt by dh who stood outside swearing at me in anger for wanting to buy "this f**king crap" as he called it. He came into the shop and started shouting at me for being taken in by all this rubbish and he couldnt believe I was spending his money to buy "PEBBLES". I couldnt beleive how hurt and humiliated I was, he seems to think its a new interest I have but its just laid dormant for some years whilst Ive been with him,possibly because I followed his path or illusion world of using other poeples eneregy for themselves by using intimidation. He was venehemently against it all today and said Im someone he doesnt know. I felt sick and upset and it really made me realiase how wonderful I feel when Im allowing the spiritual to help me. He doesnt seem to wnat to understand it and thinks we are just very odd. He ahd the cheek to say we were all weirdos(which I thought was hughly disrespectful and told him so after), as I was talking with a great chap on a fantastic crystal stall who was helping me choose a black stone which is for protection!!!!!he even gave me a free rose qaurtz as will.

Oh Melsy, that's so sad to hear I didnt know your DH felt that way (why would I though??)
Could he be envious that you're finding help from some other source and not him? I just don't know what to say, it must've been so embarassing. I'd probably have cried if my DH had done that to me. We're all different, every one of us.
Mega ((((hugs)))) xxx

I'm thinking of you as I look at my rose quartz that sits under my pooter x

Melsy big big hugs. My dh thinks I am nutty but keeps it to himself most of the time. He has though embaressed me in public with work and my family on many occassions and it is really really awful. I have been married to him for 15 years and friends for 26 years and as oyu know we have just been to paris. I told him there how much his public shouting at me hurt adn how I would not stand for it and because we were away and I did it in cold blood he was really upset. Sometimes I think they dont acknowledge to themselves how hurtful they are being. THis is your interest and he may not share it but he should try to accept it. Oh melsy lots of love adn positive thoughts!

Melsy sending you love do you think he is a bit jealous, do not worry my dh thinks I have odd ideas but he is sometimes wary of things I think he feels people will take advantage or I will be ripped off in some way. Can you talk to him about it - maybe something else is worrying him and this is how he showed it. rambling a bit - gothicchild sends you an emicion as she likes to take care peace out

Melsy, sorry to hear about your dh's reaction. Do you think he is intimidated because he doesn't undertand about crystals or that kind of thing and os feels threatened by it. A lot of people feel very threatened by things they don't understand and react with anger (anger is after all very often a manifestation of fear). Maybe given time he will come round, or when he sees how happy this kind of thing makes you feel. Or maybe he will just have to accept that you are different but that he has nothing to fear. Hugs xx

YES I have the book can I join the club when I have read it!!!!!!!!!! Cheers and Whoops in my house.