God's influence

[orangatan]

Have nc for this but only becuase I am busy as it were on other threads.

I am having trouble getting my head around something.

I am a committed christian.

When things go wrong, and I am really just talking about very minor things that other people have done to you, how much of that has been orchestrated by God?
Any of it? None of it? Somewhere in between?

Thanks

So caps you don't think children should be assessed? And by assessed I do mean just making basic notes on what you observe a child doing etc.

Added to which the lack of integrity within the teaching profession astounds me. Distorting a child's needs in order to cling onto funds

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/primary/1862438-Teachers-do-not-adhere-to-Statemented-1-to-1-support-do-not-believe-in-sub-levels-make-APP-assessments-up-How-much-of-what-parents-are-told-by-schools-about-teaching-is-a-box-ticking-exercise

Christianity preaches Faith, Hope and Love (and integrity).

head assessment should be ongoing and open to the dynamic nature of children's development. Also, very importantly, it should be honest and it's limitations recognised.

It might well teach it but many of us do it without a religion.

Tho is ridiculous. I am not debating about assessing children. I think Ferri effectively said we had no way of knowing If people with moderate learning disabilities could have a faith. And I said the evidence would suggest otherwise.

We got to this point because I pointed out how unfair that god doesn't ring fence those who can't believe because of a lack of the cognitive ability or access to the information.

I did not see where Ferri said that. I say anyone can have Faith, moderate learning difficulties or not. Whether they exercise Faith in Christ, or not. I think saying people with learning disabilities cannot have Faith is doing them a disservice.

^or difficulties. Anyone in fact.

It's one thing to believe a god whose a bit hands off but a god who is protecting this person but letting that person or that baby get cancer. Eurgh.

Look, I can be almost 100 percent certain that such a god isn't real because there is no evidence of a protection etc etc but it's hard talking to someone who believes that without feeling a bit outraged/weirded out.

I'm going to have to hang my coat up guys

God wants people to overcome cancer. Diseases are around due to evil in this world, not God.

Do you mean diseases are around due to Satan?

Ferrar, it's ok to not know all the answers to matters of faith.. Surely the point of faith is belief, not knowledge, knowing the difference and not presenting one as the other.

Isn't that why faith is blind?

Faith appears blind to some from an earthly point of view.
It is very much seeing, from a Heavenly point of view, atthestrokeoftwelve .

And thank you Dione.

I will pray for you headinhands.

It wasn't that ferrar couldn't answer my questions. He/did many times. But the answers were diametrically opposed and contradictory. That's what I found unsatisfactory.

What will praying for me achieve?

But you do live on planet earth ferrar I take it?...

You are blidly following an entity whose actions cannot be morally justified, yet you belive that there are some greater and good reasons for that. But you don't know what they are. that seems blind to me. Even the "evidence" of the bible shows god to be at best a pretty fickle and disagreeable character, yet you still give him your life.

Havent got so much time today.
But this is the Paul bit that I spoke about yesterday.

Acts 23 v 11
That night the Lord stood near him and said "Keep up your courage! For just as you have testified for me in Jerusalem, so you must bear witness also in Rome".

Wow! I had to read that 3 times when I came across it.
It wasnt even an angel that visited Paul, it was the Lord himself.

This part is where I show my ignorance. I am never sure if the Lord is God, or if the Lord is Jesus
I tend to think that the Lord is God?

Wouldnt that be special to have a God visit!!!

headinhands. I am praying for your soul. I think that you have a little tiny bit of faith left.

!

the point of faith is belief, not knowledge, knowing the difference and not presenting one as the other. Agreed.

You dont think that she has Whos?

Back Just to throw this out there: Can human beings really possess complete and unified knowledge or is all belief? (See philosophers like Hume)

Can we say anything is evidence (in that it shows the truth concerning something) or is all just data?

IMO actual knowledge is Divine(ly inspired).

ferrer Think about the Holy Trinity, the big question.

Hettie would be rolling her eyes yet again, at my mentioning of Hume, again, back!

Maybe we should have an eye roll emoticon? I could collect them.